Daily Review 09/10/2017

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51 comments on “Daily Review 09/10/2017”

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      1. 2.1.1

        Speed is not the greatest factor in road fatalities, not wearing a seatbelt is

        Really sad what happened around the corner this morning, a fatality at an intersection in a 50km zone.

          1. 2.1.1.1.1

            Thanks Ad, that’s really interesting. 50% of those who were killed in a vehicle last month weren’t wearing a seat belt. Crikey that a fair chunk.

            Down the bottom where it says ‘Behavioural Measures’ then lists speed and alcohol, then it has a section on seatbelts with percentages, would that be the percentage of people who were or were not wearing a seat belt please? I’m confused on that bit of the table. Thanks.

            1. 2.1.1.1.1.1

              “Too fast for the conditions” is listed as a major cause of crashes.

              Not wearing seatbelts = 50% at the time of the crash for those killed.

              But my understanding is, the higher the speed when a car crashes, the more damage that can be done to persons.

              “Loss of control of the vehicle” doesn’t really say much about causes or crashes or deaths.

              1. 2.1.1.1.1.1.1

                Go on and flame me to a crisp for being insensitive, but I take a Darwinian view of adults that die in crashes that weren’t wearing seatbelts. They’re such a quick, simple and effective safety measure with no downside to putting it on.

                Yes, the higher the speed the a body impacts something hard, the more damage is done. But the object a human body is most likely to impact in a crash is something inside the vehicle. So if the human is fully restrained to the seat, then it’s much less likely to impact something else. Hence safety features like explosively tensioning seatbelts that yank you hard into your seat when a crash is detected. Look at racing car drivers that are locked into their seats with six-point harnesses and head restraints, walking away from utterly horrendous crashes.

                  1. 2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1

                    I think we should tax carbon, tax income from capital, and raise the income tax rate on top earners much higher. We also need to do much more to protect the natural environment, with unwinding farming intensification as a priority.

                    There, has that reset things back to normal?

                2. 2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2

                  Yes, but that’s fine for those inside a car. But, even though the majority of deaths and injuries are to drivers and passengers, there are also a fair amount where a pedestrian, motorcyclist or cyclist is killed or injured. And, in those cases, more speed = more damage to the person.

                  Also, 5 of the 29 deaths in August involved a truck. A racing car would be unlikely to be in a collision with a much bigger vehicle, also travelling at a reasonable speed.

                  I deduce from the stats that no truck drivers or passengers were killed – the 29 deaths include 20 car or van drivers, 4 car or van passengers, 3 motorcyclists and 2 cyclists.

                  1. 2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1

                    When it comes to pedestrians, front end design of a car has a huge effect on pedestrian survival. Modern design tries to ensure the pedestrian goes onto the bonnet, with a controlled crumpling of the bonnet into space above the engine. Even those awful plastic covers they put on top of engines play a part in improving pedestrian survival. It’s a world away from older designs that often as not would knock the pedestrian down to the ground in front of the car to subsequently get run over.

                    Racing cars will often have impacts into solid walls, at much higher speeds than happen on public roads. So in a lot of cases with trucks, it’s that the design of the truck means a car’s safety features don’t absorb the impact the way they’re designed to.

              2. 2.1.1.1.1.1.2

                I’d also be curious about injury data for not wearing seatbelts. Coz if half the fatalities are from not wearing seatbelts, but only 3% of drivers don’t wear seatbelts, then it looks like not wearing a seatbelt is probably a good predictor of a driver that’s likelier to crash.

              3. 2.1.1.1.1.1.3

                Yes, that’s basic physics. Specifically, the damage is 1/2mv^2, or in words, half the mass in kg multiplied by the speed in metres per second squared. The faster you go, the bigger the mess indeed.

      1. 2.2.1

        Exactly and that’s why rules for foreign/visiting drivers need changing, enough fatalities, they should have to sit a test and be banned from driving for a set time if stepping off a long haul flight.

        1. 2.2.1.1

          and how many of the 293 deaths are related to foreign/visiting drivers?

          Also why should foreign/visiting drivers be banned from driving for a set time if stepping off a long haul flight and not Kiwi’s?

          1. 2.2.1.1.1

            Does the average person get enough sleep on a long haul flight including any stop overs in order to be able to drive safetly on a foreign road as soon as they get here?

            In the south island tourist drivers make up around a quarter or more of road crashes…. location, location, location.

            Here’s the report….
            http://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/Research/Documents/Overseas-drivers2016.pdf

            2012 (rugby world cup) was a bad year, almost 10% of fatalities involved a tourist driver.

            With that in mind, tourism is booming, more tourists, more fatalities, prevention is better than a cure, especially when it involves the finite, death.

            1. 2.2.1.1.1.1

              When I rented a campervan in the US, they required a night’s rest after arriving in the US before they would let us have the campervan.

        2. 2.2.1.2

          Apart from a few celebrated cases that received lots of media attention foreign/visiting drivers aren’t killing us on the roads Cinny. It’s NZers (and a particular cohort at that) who are killing themselves.
          Rather than imposing an impractical test on tourists we should do more to make our roads safer to drive on. I drove through Italy last year on plenty of narrow, windy roads much like ours really. The difference was the amount of signage and roading infrastructure employed to make the journey safer. This is really just another example of National opening the doors and not backing it up with a coherent policy to deal adequately with the ensuing influx.

          1. 2.2.1.2.1

            Yup it does depend on location and infrastructure, signage, knowing the conditions, rules etc. But down here in the south island, there are high rates for tourists crashing.

            Shame it’s taking so long for the teleporter to become operational, i reckon that would save lives.

            1. 2.2.2.1.1.1

              DON’T FUCKING JINX IT, ROBERT!!!

              Excuse the yelling, but the only thing we know is that winston loves doing the unexpected…

    4. 2.4

      You still have to remember that the road toll in 1987 was 795, so we have made a lot of progress over the past 30 years.

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