Remember when a few leaders ago then National Leader Simon Bridges promised that National would be a 56 MP policy machine?
Judging by its response to the Government’s release of two bills at the centre of RMA reform the machine has major problems.
From Russell Palmer at RNZ:
Party leader Christopher Luxon this afternoon said they were still digesting Labour’s more than 800-page proposal, but had already identified three big problems.
“The first is around … adding another layer of bureaucracy; the second piece is really around rising levels of uncertainty and complexity that I think will lead to more interpretation from bureaucrats and also courts; the final thing is it’s taking 10 years to get implemented and that’s just way too long,” he said.
“There’s elements that will be positive I’m sure and that we’ll agree with and like – I think some of the things I initially saw around fast-tracking, and embedding that’s a good thing – but at this point we want to digest it further.”
“It’s gonna cause huge amounts of debate and discussion for the next three years and nothing fundamentally will change. We don’t have time for that – we’re in a turnaround mode for this country and we need to get things done.”
National is acting like the release of the bill has caught them by surprise. Which of itself is surprising because the development of these bills has been more public than any other piece of legislation I can think of.
First up there was the Randerson Review where an independent panel analysed the existing law and provided recommendations in a 531 page report.
In response to the proposal then National leader Judith Collins said this:
We will replace it with two new pieces of law: an Environment Standards Act, setting our environmental bottom lines; and an Urban Planning and Development Act, giving clarity and consistency. We will begin this work in our first 100 days.
“We will introduce new legislation by the end of next year,” she said earlier this month.
I do not know if she was reading the tea leaves and wanted to preempt the Government’s next steps or if it took up her offer but this is what the Government has done. And her suggestion that National would have a bill ready in a short period of time appears to be hopelessly optimistic.
Then there was the release of an initial draft of the Natural and Built Environments Act and a select committee inquiry into the draft. I presume National MPs were present and actually did their job of coming to grips with the draft.
There have been regular newsletters, a Local Government steering group, a number of speeches by Minister David Parker, and a slew of information on Ministry for the Environment’s website. The development of these bills has been a very public process.
Which is why Luxon’s response is so bizarre. Complaining about too many bureaucrats and then saying implementation will take too long, ironically highlighting the need for more not less bureaucrats, is cheap lazy point scoring on an issue that needs to be taken seriously.
56 MP policy machine? At a time when there needs to be a principled discussion about a complex reform proposal National is missing in action.
The entire construction and development industry has been tracking and inputting into this for months and months. Also Infrastructure NZ, Productivity Commission, MBIE, and most other entities chock full with Nat sympathisers.
They have made good solid changes since the released discussion draft.
So the National vacuum is pretty inexcusable.
Now all we need to see is the detail on the Energy Zones.
Don't forget they don't have to convince the whole country, or even half of it. And those left don't really need 'convincing' of anything, just a place to throw their vote against RedCiNDa.
You mean those barking misogynists?
Look too my mind that party (national) are fundamentally lazy.as most right wingers are,just look how they bemoan Labour and even Green policy then go along with the fundamentals. Can you still here that cat call"communism by stealth". As so aptly portrayed by John Clarke and Bryan Dawe of the liberal party in stralia,"the Annual report"wasn't it John Hewson and even Jeff Kennett,Maatae.
well called. they like long summer holidays rather than doing some hard mahi coming up with policies. the latest today, bruch off some expired boot camp policies and pretend it's something new. overlook the fact that boot camps were expensive at $400,000 plus kid and had a reoffending rate around 85%. The Key govt was lazy and rightly got a reputation as a do nothing government. A Luxon govt would be pretty much the same by the looks. Not address any of the big issues NZ has, repeal a few of Labours policies but put nothing meaningful in it's place and just sit on other Labour initiatives but do nothing to enhance them. Climate change for example, National just sat on it's hands for 9 years based on what Labour had put in place but did nothing meaningful to address the issue. A ton of carbon pretty much stayed $20 for 9 years and no move on agriculture emissions. Expect more of the same from Luxon.
Unless their instinct is just to throw most of the thing into the bin and let people do pretty much what they want. That would be quick, low effort – and an eventual mess. But behind the cheery "Good mornings" and layers of comical corporate blather, Luxy is more from the libertarian right than any National leader we've seen in a while.
It's a shame they don't follow the lead of the current Government isn't it?
Promise a policy and then implement it quickly. Just do it in the speedy manner of the Labour Party. Look at how they promised free dental care for adults back in 2018, at the Annual Conference, if my memory is accurate. Promised it, got it implemented and it has been a wonderful success hasn't it?
I'm sure Micky can remember all about it. He was possibly at the Conference and can remember how the delegates welcomed the announcement.
Alternatively he may be able to tell me that I was just dreaming and that such a policy has never been proposed by the Labour Party and that this is just wishful thinking on my part. Which is it Micky?
It's understandable that you don't even want to talk about National and the RMA, but this is a really feeble attempt at trolling. Try again.
alwyn for leader of the opposition – they could do worse, & have & have & have & have.
Unlike you some keep up with the times.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/09/nz-election-2020-labour-rules-out-free-dental-care-for-adults-citing-current-economic-environment.html
Stop your diversion trolling here or take it to OM.
alwyn, Labour didn't campaign on introducing universal dental care.
"Labour will increase dental health grants to $1,000
for those on low incomes"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/13uhcVrn8HUXEoWoPQgkJYjHX_d_Za-O0/view
"The Government has more than tripled dental grant payments for low-income families from $300 to $1000 as part of this year's Budget"
"delivery on the Government's promise to do so when elected in 2020"
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/05/19/budget-2022-dental-grant-payments-more-than-tripled/
Well what was it that the Party Conference in, I believe 2018, voted for?
A friend of mind, a party member, and yes I agree that shows she is not very smart, who attended said that it was decided on by the Conference.
Later on they dropped it of course, as you are showing. There is much more fun in throwing $150 million or so at a phantom cycle bridge in Auckland.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/127427327/nz-govt-to-spend-150m-on-abandoned-auckland-bike-bridge-alternative-crossing-options
[I’d already warned you, but you clearly insist on being modded, so here it is: stop with the diversion trolling. This is your last warning – Incognito]
The fact remains Labour didn't campaign on universal dental care.
What kind of friend are you that you would call your friends stupid? Would she still consider you a friend if she knew how you really felt about her?
As your link shows the govt are spending the money on 'alternative crossing options" instead.
She knows I think she is stupid for being a Labour Party member. Lately she has even exhibited signs that she thinks so to. It will be rather late in life but she may yet come to her senses.
In all other ways she can be quite sensible.
Yeah sure as if anything you say is credible. Ever cross your mind that your friend may think you are the stupid one alwyn?
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There is no guarantee that a policy voted on by a conference will make its way into the manifesto – that just gets them into the pool of policies being considered.
One of my policy remits was also voted on favourably by the Labour Conference 2018 but is only partly being brought to fruition (to investigate ACC being extended to sickness and the inequity of ACC being available for disabilities caused by injury but not for those with other causes – the first will be partially covered by the Income Insurance Scheme, the second was a specific manifesto commitment).
Please take this discussion to OM, thanks.
Deciding whether your friend is smart or not might depend more on whether she regards you as a friend, rather than on how you regard her.
like have some policies? after 9 years of a do nothing Key Govt this one at least has some runs on the board. yes some thing have been quietly shelved like kiwibuild, a cross harbour cycle bridge (which was just plain stupid in my mind) and might be the auckland light rail. the key govt did frick all about changing the nz polocy settings, pretty much just lathargically steered the truck along the road despite the plethora of growing issues around them. looking like a luxon govt could be much the same
Richard Harman has some background on how National's (i.e. Luxon's) empty "I'm against it, whatever it is" response contrasts with more engaged voices in the sector.
https://www.politik.co.nz/luxons-low-point/
He links it to Luxon's polling, which is as good an explanation as any.
Interesting. Bishop and Luxon are vice-signalling to their public ('govt bad, business good'), not responding in any substantive way about the proposals.
A pandemic changes priorities Alwyn. But you know that.
That fact is often ignored by the right wing.
National 's default policies:
Tax cuts for the already wealthy
Build more roads
Build more prisons.
That's about it.
Benefit cuts
Freeze minimum wage
Asset sales
Beneficiary sanctions
"Freeze minimum wage".
When was the last time that a National Government did that?
You have no disagreement with the other 6 then Alwyn?
I thought that struggling to justify one of them would be hard enough for you.
Actually I see that it was too hard even to justify one of your claims. I guess we must treat everything you say as fantasy.
You're troll mate – a bad faith commentator – I am not spending time explaining stuff to you because you have an emotional need to be a hard arse RW prick – no explanation or cogent argument will ever change the way you approach things you are simply trying to waste my time. Meh I would love a few beers!
"no explanation or cogent argument will ever change the way you approach things".
Try me. When people have shown me facts that disprove things I thought to be true I am only to willing to correct my opinions. I assure you though that I don't just withdraw because people like you make claims which they then refuse to back up with facts.
"When people have shown me facts that disprove things I thought to be true I am only to willing to correct my opinions"
That does not appear to be true.
See your post @ 5 and the responses.
https://thestandard.org.nz/what-happened-to-nationals-policy-machine/#comment-1921392
Alwyn… Look up Muldoon wage price freeze.
Yes, I remember that. It was the final lashing out of one of the worst Prime Ministers of my lifetime.
It was also 40 years ago Patricia. It was even earlier than Roger Douglas's time, which all the true lefties contributing to this site try to forget, or at least deny that he was the brains behind the Labour Government of the time.
Muldoon was an idiot. New Zealand was well rid of him.
Maybe seeing Muldoon's shennanigans turned Douglas to the dark side?
Well I can visualise Muldoon as a mini-me version of Darth Vader, although he was a bit diminutive to be the real thing.
On that basis I suppose you could imagine him persuading someone over to the dark side.
I wouldn't regard Roger as having been on the dark side though. He was what New Zealand needed and you will have observed that no succeeding Government has changed his actions in any significant way. Apart from Robertson with his creed of tax, tax, tax, tax, tax, tax.
Barfly
"Change what you can" Alwyn is not one of those things!!
National have railed against all minimum wage increases of this government.
You can look up the media releases and statements yourself.
It doesn’t matter what National or Luxon say or refuse to say about freezing the minimum wage because they are likely to hide behind ACT and give in to ACT’s demands in an ACT-led NACT government, policy-wise speaking. ACT is on record for wanting to freeze the minimum wage for the next three years. Luxon is just a red herring and ACT/Seymour is the gorilla in the room.
Well done. You are right. Seymour will decide how race relations proceed after the election. He will influence many major issues currently besieging our once great nation. In fact, while you had me on executive leave, I decided I will be voting for him at election time. Big call for me, but I see no one else touting democracy. The question is: will Seymour be able to front and handle the odium and hate that comes his way?? We may see protests from Maori that make the Foreshore and Seabed protests look like a quaint church picnic.
Big call? bullsh*t!
You were for Seymour/ACT from the get-go, I reckon 🙂
Your reckons are like your comments- shewered. ACT are socialists, like National and Labour, except they are more miserable with OPM. I call bs on your bs.
You're not planning to vote ACT?
Colour me … unconvinced!
You can guarantee from his name that he was never ever a socialist.
He probably thinks that nepotism is a familial form of socialism
I tend to take most media releases by opposition parties with a grain of salt. It is only when they get into Government that one can really judge their actions rather than their words.
Remember how Labour were going to build 100,000 homes with Kiwibuild? Then how they failed dismally and pretended they had never meant to do it?
Or how they were going to change the flag? It was part of their policy in 2014. Then when John Key tried to implement the policy a couple of years later they beat their breasts and opposed the idea. Not Invented Here, of course.
Then they had a CGT in their policy for a couple of elections. Once they got into Government they dropped the whole thing. I think they suddenly realised that it was going to apply to them.
No. Experience tells me that what politicians say in Opposition does always carry over into office as a Government.
Remember when over 3 years ago the government dropped "the target of 100,000 houses over ten years. It was overly ambitious and lead to contracts being signed in places where there was little first home buyer demand”
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/government-resets-kiwibuild-help-more-new-zealanders-home-ownership
But the government have outdone themselves on state housing.
https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-14-11-2022/#comment-1921069
Labour didn't campaign on changing the flag, in 2014 they backed key's review on it, but if memory serves, the year of the referendum, Andrew Little said the public had no stomach for change.
"Sir John Key would not hold a flag referendum if he could have his time as Prime Minister again.
Instead, the country's former leader would simply change New Zealand's national flag and let the public love it or lump it"
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/national-flag-former-pm-john-key-would-now-bypass-referendum-and-just-choose-new-ensign/JJJIHMKJ4URDCEZNYCRGOAFOW4/
The CGT was dropped PRIOR to the 2017 election.
"The Labour Party has reversed one of new leader Jacinda Ardern's first 'captain's calls', saying it will implement no tax reforms recommended by a working group before the 2020 election"
https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU1709/S00444/labour-reverses-ardern-s-captain-s-call-on-tax-reform.htm?from-mobile=bottom-link-01
Take your breast beating diversions elsewhere.
Those are probably more ACT than National, but I'm sure National wouldn't object too much because it would be ACT calling the shots under a ACT/National coalition.
Repeal
Stall
Rinse
Repeat
Ah, but Nicola Willis outlined, in a series of worn-out cliches (oxymoron!) what Natz policies are, including 'personal responsibility,' 'success' and 'ambition!' Oh, and cutting all the bureaucrats, like extra teacher and health support, I suppose!
She frightens me, another Ruth Richardson!
She was, rightly, torn into little bits by Megan Woods (General Debate).
More from National's policy machine. They support the Clean Car Discount … or don't. Or might.
Luxon should really just stop talking.
https://twitter.com/marcdaalder/status/1592639547208146945
“A spokesperson for Christopher Luxon says he meant to say the Clean Car Standard, not Discount.”
meant to say … another day, another walk back.
My guesses:
[stick to the one and only approved username here, thanks – Incognito]
Mod note
The sooner the better. Kids seem to learn little from MSE, except, it would appear, how to take a bashing.
A charter school supporter, you?
Colour me AMAZED!!!
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jan/31/the-australian-school-system-has-a-serious-design-flaw-can-it-change-before-its-too-late
Basic rights to a good education in Australian state schools attacked by two-tier school system
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/nov/12/art-drama-languages-and-geography-to-become-preserve-of-private-schools-as-state-sector-cuts-bite
UK cuts mean state educated kids will get the 3 Rs and nothing else…How to starve a nation's cultural future…It also stifles grass roots culture, as teachers of arts subjects, who are often part time musos and artist/craft people, lose their primary income. The UK apparently has some of the worst state education in Europe, so charter schools only improve education outcomes for some.
Two tier education systems, in neo-liberal terms, reduce the less well-off to an uneducated servant class. Health cuts affect our now, education cuts affect our future.
Policy, you say? https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/christopher-luxon-u-turns-on-u-turn-acknowledging-he-misspoke/G4LEMNH2MNHV7M2VAR453Z4NRE/
BAU
Haha that is really funny.
Sounds like he is having quite a week.
https://twitter.com/antihobbes/status/1592787010921824256
It gets worse
https://twitter.com/AxelWilkeNZ/status/1592790774307262464
if luxo gets rolled now the nationals party will fracture and disintegrate. can hardly wait
More language from fascist Europe pre WW2; reprogram, military academies, crackdown.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/11/national-wants-to-send-youth-offenders-to-military-academies-for-up-to-year.html
So mb, what would you do with them?
Because the current situation regarding youth crime in Hamilton/Rotorua etc. is not acceptable to the electorate.
These reform schools could be run by the ex Dilworth teachers, that would learn them.
That's constructive, well done.
Nats showing their true colours: hate, fear, and cruelty to the poor
https://twitter.com/BhenElliott/status/1593015253205659649?s=20&t=nTDe20QllicAPKFyfBCrhw
https://twitter.com/Mihi_Forbes/status/1593138569992101888?s=20&t=nTDe20QllicAPKFyfBCrhw
the nationals party has decomposed into a gang of whiners whingers moaners and criticisers. anyone listening to queston time will see (and hear) that that party is bereft of ideas and their scattershot questions makes them look like they have some form of bi-polar disorder.