Open mike 06/12/2013

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    3. 1.3

      The 90 day right to prove yourself has been proven to be a wonderful success story. Thousands of people who would never have been given the chance to work have found employment. Employers agree that the 90 day right to prove yourself encourages employers to take a risk without risking being sued for thousands. New Zealand has thus joined every other country in the OECD which gives prospective workers the chance to work. It has been a great success story as the article clearly shows.

      1. 1.3.1

        A wonderful success for whom? One of the things you were touting years ago (from memory) was that youth unemployment rates would go down. Last time I looked they kept going up.

        So I guess that is a failure?

        1. 1.3.1.1

          “It is not known how many workers were dismissed during the 90-day-trial period, but the figures revealed 27 per cent of employers said they had fired at least one new employee during or at the end of their trial. ”

          – So the papers are making stuff up again and not mentioning how many new employees had been hired at the same time

          1. 1.3.1.1.1

            Dishonest Puckish Rogue. You ignore the basis on which it is tentatively calculated (actually written in the article) that 18,000 people are involved here. Dishonest Puckish Rogue. Not surprised. Textor-Tosser. As always.

            1. 1.3.1.1.1.1

              18,000 people who didn’t make the grade gave another 18,000 the opportunity to show what they’ve got and secure themselves a job.

              What’s the problem?

              1. 1.3.1.1.1.1.1

                Yeah alright then Bowel Motion……..and then 18,000 more for 89 days, and then 18,000 more the 89 days after that, and so on. I daresay the plantation owners too were in the position to resolve that their last slave purchase was a bad deal.

                The problem you fucked up old moron is that you don’t see a problem. Hope karma gets you. We’re talking at minimum 18,000 beating human hearts here. That doesn’t matter ??? Um um um what’s the problem ???

              2. 1.3.1.1.1.1.2

                Because of the lack of distinction between people who should never have been hired in the first place and people who would have been excellent employees if their manager didn’t take a “sink or swim” approach.

                All 90-day fire at will provides is a ripcord for managers who can’t hire appropriate staff for the job, and can’t manage the staff they do hire.

                Frankly, it’s not the employee who should be fired after three months, it’s the incompetent manager.

                  2. 1.3.1.1.1.1.2.1.2

                    management style like that (abuse, not context, no explanation of basis for that response, no advise on how to improve) is a perfect illustration of the sort of stupid fuck who needs a 90F@W law in order to run their business.

      2. 1.3.2

        You can’t actually say any of that because we don’t know what’s really happening out there. All indications are, though, that the 90 day fire at will bill is working as intended – making work even more precarious and thus helping drive down wages.

      3. 1.3.3

        The 90 day right to prove yourself has been proven to be a wonderful success story. Thousands of people who would never have been given the sack have found unemployment

        Fisiani

    4. 1.4

      National think it’s great WINZ save money when someone on a benefit gets a job for 90 days then has a stand down period before receiving a benefit again. Sick f**ks.

    5. 1.5

      And some dick from the EPMU is also bleating about people being released within 90 days. They get released because they don’t cut the the mustard. Cuntlipps can change the law but nothing will change. Employers will get rid of dead wood bludgers and yes, they will curse they ever employed them, but at least the employer will learn from his/her mistake.

      1. 1.5.1

        I’ve never seen much evidence that most employers can learn from anything. Given the number of mistakes they do make, if they could actually learn from them, they’d all be bloody Nobel Laureates. Instead, they have the emotional maturity of someone who thinks it’s witty to name someone after labia.

  3. 3

    Some number crunching:

    1,058,636: number of votes received by National in 2011

    1,083,309: number of votes cast in the referendum, so far.

        1. 3.1.1.1

          Hi, Paul, just noting that the number of posted referendum ballots has now passed the number of votes National claim gave them a ‘mandate’ to sell our assets. Not that all the ballots will be opposed, of course. I imagine we’ll need a return of around 1.5 million to have a ‘mandate’ that actually reflects what kiwis actually want.

      2. 3.1.2

        Nor do I. 90% of the time it is the browser. Try shutting it down and reopening it (if it isn’t IE of course – that never really shuts down).

        Could also be the server that just shut down, you’d have gotten diverted to another server so the dup checking wouldn’t have worked

        1. 3.1.2.1

          Dropping firefox and reopening it seems to have worked. I have lost the “Gateway problem” message. Chrome worked through the server drop without a hitch. Could be something to do with the server stickiness and chrome wasn’t on that server. Could also be that firefox isn’t as good at tcp link failures.

          Tis odd..

          1. 3.1.2.1.1

            Hummm replacement server also failed. That area seems to have a problem. Activating a server on the other side. Removing servers from the affected side.

              2. 3.1.2.1.1.1.2

                lprent
                I wonder do the other big blogs have problems similar? Do we need more money to purchase better, more robust systems. More should be forthcoming if this is so.

                Also I can’t see that the site would be immune from the noxious attitudes being shown by ACC to a poor protester in the street outside their mansion. Harrassment diminishing strength, and a desire to remove and clear the irritating dissent. Now we have wide ranging privacy interference laws and people with few scruples, it is possible that the disturbing of the systems will recur often as covert harrassment. I would consider it if I was on The Dark Side.

                  1. 3.1.2.1.1.1.2.1.1

                    lprent
                    And each comment this morning once submitted has led to page ‘Connection closed by remote server’. I’ve gone back, gone Home, and found it but there is no edit option with it hence separate comments.

                2. 3.1.2.1.1.1.2.2

                  I think The Standards reliability isn’t great compared to other big blogs either.

                  I put it down to Lynn doing this very much on a part-time / hobby basis, as well as with something that is a bit customised rather than a bog standard installation.

                  In that sense I think the reliability we receive is pretty good.

    2. 3.2

      I see young master Robert Salmond is predicting a 950 K “No”-vote on a turnout of roughly 1.35 million. Not quite National’s vote, but not far off it. Opinion Polls, of course, have been suggesting two-thirds opposition for a long time now.

    1. 4.1

      Yeah. I have to find out why a server instance dumping like that causes a problem with dup comments. I guess it isn’t using the common memcache.

      Another job for the weekend.

  5. 5

    The ACC protest goes on, with Mike Dixon-McIvor looking increasingly sick and ACC is still harrassing him (see quote below). Why is this not even a brief story anymore?

    http://michaelbott.blogspot.co.nz/2013/11/accs-continuing-persecution-of-mike.html

    “Now having lost his home and income thanks to ACC Mike is conducting a hunger strike on the doorsteps of ACC’s plush Wellington offices in Aitken Street.

    But now it seems that ACC’s bullying of Mike continues even while he protests. At night as he maintains his presence outside their building an ACC security guard wakes him up every two hours. Last night the guard admitted he did this on the instructions of ACC. The denial of sleep in this way is getting pretty close to a form of sleep deprivation. Also Wellington City Council received an “anonymous” complaint about Mike’s dog, who was his companion on the protest. Following an approach by the council, Mike’s dog has had to be sent away.

    The streets of our capital are cold at night, and to deprive an old man of both sleep and a source of warmth as he undertakes a hunger strike is particularly cruel.”

  6. 6

    The ACC protest goes on, with Mike Dixon-McIvor looking increasingly sick and ACC is still harrassing him (see quote below). Why is this not even a brief story anymore?

    http://michaelbott.blogspot.co.nz/2013/11/accs-continuing-persecution-of-mike.html

    “Now having lost his home and income thanks to ACC Mike is conducting a hunger strike on the doorsteps of ACC’s plush Wellington offices in Aitken Street.

    But now it seems that ACC’s bullying of Mike continues even while he protests. At night as he maintains his presence outside their building an ACC security guard wakes him up every two hours. Last night the guard admitted he did this on the instructions of ACC. The denial of sleep in this way is getting pretty close to a form of sleep deprivation. Also Wellington City Council received an “anonymous” complaint about Mike’s dog, who was his companion on the protest. Following an approach by the council, Mike’s dog has had to be sent away.

    The streets of our capital are cold at night, and to deprive an old man of both sleep and a source of warmth as he undertakes a hunger strike is particularly cruel.”

  9. 9

    re cricket-corruption allegations:

    when you have three accused..

    ..and ‘a’ is ‘cooperating fully with the authorities’…

    ..and ‘b’ ‘has heard nothing’ from those same authorities..

    ..it is easy to surmise that ‘a’ has ‘rolled-over’..

    ..and is being lined up to give evidence against ‘b’..

    ..eh..?

    ..phillip ure..

    2. 9.2

      Not at all,
      3 months ago it was known that the icc were preparing investigating match and spot fixing and that nz players were to be part of the investigation, so if within some circles it was known back then think something is being missed in the reporting.

  11. 11

    Went to Bryan Gould’s book launch (“Myths, Politicians & Money”) last night (Thanks to the mighty Fabians for arranging)
    It was a good talk and he roved over some of the contents of the book and answered questions. Penny B was there and as usual was right on the button with her comments.
    Purchased a copy read the intro. late last night and hopefully can start book proper today.

      1. 11.1.1

        Thanks. Interesting audio.

        Gould’s post based on his book.

        Extract from the post, with Thatcherism, Reaganism et al:

        The ability to move capital at will across national boundaries not only meant that international investors could bypass national governments but also enabled them to threaten such governments that they would lose essential investment if they did not comply with the investors’ demands. This shifted the balance of power dramatically back in the direction of capital, and set the seal on the triumph of those “free-market” principles of economic policy that became known as the “Washington consensus”.

        It became accepted that the “free market” was infallible and that its outcomes should not be challenged. Any attempt to second-guess the market would inevitably produce worse results. Everyone – it was thought – would be better off if the rich and powerful were subject to no restraint in manipulating the market to suit their own interests.

        But the whole point of democracy – that the legitimacy enjoyed by elected governments allowed them to defend the interests of ordinary people against the otherwise overwhelming economic power of those who dominated the market – was thereby lost.

        We see the outcomes of this shift all too clearly. Virtually the whole of the increased wealth of the last three decades has gone to the richest people in our society; poverty, even in the “rich” countries, has risen while inequality, with its attendant social ills, has widened; the rights of working people at work have been weakened; joblessness is endemic; and the “free market” free-for-all achieved its culmination in the global financial crisis.

        1. 11.1.1.1

          . Virtually the whole of the increased wealth of the last three decades has gone to the richest people in our society; poverty, even in the “rich” countries, has risen

          And this has come to be accepted as ‘the’ norm, the correct way,. Discussing with a wealthy relative this nation’s bad outcomes from past present and likely future policies, he said that Key will lead us out of our problems this is what he knows.

          When you have money there is no spur to change anything, to do anything but ameliorate some ills. The mind goes to sleep, and all interest is centred on organising one’s own little world to maximise benefits from one’s own resources.

          And the others who don’t have those resources get offered disingenuous slogans – ‘get more education, work harder, smarten yourself up to get opportunities and seize them – it’s all individual striving nothing structural and the advice ignores the current realities.

          1. 11.1.1.1.1

            in order for this kind of thinking to work politically, there must be a huge number of people NOT in the top group but who slavishly believe it’s either their fault for not working hard enough, or it’s only a matter of time? In the face of oh so much evidence to the contrary.

      1. 11.2.1

        1 minute into this video and two things strike me.

        Firstly, I like Hedges. His book ‘American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America’ was a good read and intellectually sound take on the US religious right.
        (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Fascists)

        Secondly was the quote “The inability to to articulate a viable socialism has been our gravest mistake”.

        That’s where you come in Draco…

      2. 11.2.2

        1 minute into this video and two things strike me.

        Firstly, I like Hedges. His book ‘American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America’ was a good read and intellectually sound take on the US religious right.
        (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Fascists)

        Secondly was the quote “The inability to to articulate a viable socialism has been our gravest mistake”.

        That’s where you come in Draco…

        1. 11.2.2.1

          Hedges is very good. Writing from Sarajevo as it was being shelled week after week after week, as well as from many other war zones, has given the man a perspective of the potential results of moral, economic and political decline that few others have.

        2. 11.2.2.2

          Secondly was the quote “The inability to to articulate a viable socialism has been our gravest mistake”.

          That’s where you come in Draco…

          I’m working on it and most of what I say is already sounder than the capitalist system that we have.

  14. 14

    two words we really need to focus more on:

    ..’tax-gap’..

    ..this is the amount the tax dept of any country (from their number-crunching) estimates it should receive in revenue on any given year..

    ..and the actual amount that comes in..

    ..in britain..the chancellor there has estimated the amount is $35 billion..

    ..and the recent doco on poverty here had an ‘industry-expert’ estimate the amount here is $2.5 billion..

    ..each and every year..

    ..this is the amount the corporates/elites are ‘dodging/avoiding’…

    ..(and as an aside..get that monies due each year..and there is yr funding to end poverty..eh..?

    ..and to do so so much more..)

    ..and instead of parker pushing raising retirement age..(on economic grounds)..shouldn’t he be promising to get this money..?

    ..and that $2.5 billion per yr..puts into clear perspective those who this govt focuses on/targets..

    ..total benefit fraud in nz is $23 million per yr..

    ..not a small amount of money..

    ..but next to $2.5 billion..?..

    ..really..?..

    http://whoar.co.nz/2013/ed-just-what-is-the-tax-gap-here-in-new-zealand-just-how-much-are-those-1erscorporates-with-sharp-accountantslawyers-ripping-off-from-the-rest-of-the-country/

    phillip ure..

  16. 16

    BBC Hard Talk: SOFT on Power, HARD on Real Journalism, Truth Telling and Glenn Greenwald
    by JOSHUA FUNNELL, Huffington Post, 5 December 2013

    Listening to the political gurglings of right-wing commentators a vision is painted of a monolithic BBC acting as an anti-establishment, subversive enemy within. A BBC where leftist executives plot how best to infect society with commie ideals and pollute the minds of youth with an antibusiness, pro EU, anti military, politically correct neurosis. “The BBC is left wing” has become one of those “common sense” truisms read straight from the book of Tory cliches. Alas the idea bears no relation to reality.

    According to research by Cardiff University, the “left wing BBC” idea, academically speaking, is crap. For example, we are told Auntie Beeb is “anti business” and “pro unions”. Strange then that Cardiff have discovered that “On (the) BBC News at Six, business representatives outnumbered trade union spokespersons by more than five to one (11 vs 2) in 2007 and by 19 to one in 2012.” Additionally, whilst discussing the impacts of immigration and EU trade policy, out of 806 sources not ONE was from organised labour.

    Organised labour, lest we forget, amounts only to that minor accolade of being the single greatest democratic block of working people in British civil society and those primarily effected by the aforementioned policies. However, the BBC’s actions suggest that these union members do not register as economic players, they aren’t the movers and shakers, the guys in the big club wielding political and economic capital, the owner and controller class that the BBC routinely embraces for opinion and source material. The BBC has historic form on this front; the fledgling organisation was used by the Baldwin government to peddle government propaganda demonising the 1922 General Strike. Again in this instance the BBC denied appearances to organised labour representatives. Workers renamed the BBC in response as the “British Falsehood Corporation”.

    This hidden in plain sight bias has long been documented by the fine work of Media Lens. They have presided over a decades worth of ceaseless mainstream/corporate media vigilance, documenting clear trends in bias by scouring vast databases of media output. The bias is firmly to the establishment, of whom a principle culprit is the BBC. In short the BBC of today demonstrates a systematic penchant for parroting, or providing platforms for, the views of pro military interventionists, economic Neoliberals and the unholy trinity of UK party politics. Despite these entities and ideologies being responsible for economic and military extremism that has lead to disastrous foreign escapades and global financial meltdowns, they still provide the bulk of the BBC’s primary source material. This was notable during the financial crisis, where the BBC in a perverse and sick twist depended heavily on the city culprits themselves as sources. Cardiff’s research shows how they were gifted near saturation exposure by the BBC to exonerate themselves of responsibility.

    Additionally, let’s take the Iraq war, where former Director General Greg Dyke had the audacity to criticise the pro war bias of the American media. Yet under his own watch – according to both the University of Cardiff and research by Media Tennor – the BBC’s war coverage consisted of just 2% anti war voices. This was the single worst performance of any news organisation in the Western Media, where pro war voices outnumbered the antis by a ratio of roughly 10 to 1. The fact that the majority of the British public rejected the war did not reflect in coverage. The BBC’s abysmal performance amounted to a psychological crime perpetrated against the very public who fund the institution. Yet this should not surprise anyone. During the Falkland’s war the BBC stated in leaked minutes….

    Read more….
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/joshua-funnell/glenn-greenwald-bbc_b_4376980.html

    If you are serious about the quality of public discourse, you will want to check out David Edwards’ and David Cromwell’s superb British site Media Lens, the scourge of the BBC, the Grauniad, the Murdoch media and other government mouthpieces….
    http://www.medialens.org/

    …and its superb forum….
    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/

    2. 16.2

      Yep, Morrissey, same preposterous accusations of Left-wing-bias against the mainstream US, Aussie and even Kiwi media. In reality, most journos are (in tune with their socio-economic interests) ‘Liberal-Centrists’ at best. Relatively liberal on moral issues like abortion, homosexual law reform and capital punishment, but generally centre-right on economic issues (Former leading journo-turned-Govt-Dept-Head, Al Morrisson, being a perfect example. Constantly abused by Righties (eg local Neo-Con bore, David Cohen) as a “leftie”, Morrison made clear on his retirement from the profession that his economic views were very much centre-right).

      More importantly, of course, the MSM they work for is inherently pro-establishment, including – as you argue – on foreign policy. Any critical journalism occurs within very narrow parameters.

      More on the British Bullshit Corporation in Part 2 (The Empire Strikes Back), below.

  19. 19

    Very sad news. With the deaths of Hugo Chávez and Nelson Mandela, that’s two great democratic leaders who have passed away this year.

    1. 19.1

      Please that his struggle is over. I sometimes wondered if he kept hanging on cos others werent ready for him to go.

      This man epitomised “leadership”, SO MANY HOLD LEADERSHIP POSITIONS BUT ARENT ACTUALLY LEADERS.

      1. 19.1.1

        Very sad to hear about Nelson Mandela, because he was the “Epitome” of struggle and fight against an unjust & corrupt system.

        But life goes on, I will be watching to see what this govt will be slipping in under the radar while the public’s focus is elsewhere.

  20. 20

    Still looking for work and getting very discouraged. Sick of agents and sick of being ignored or there being someone better, always some excuse. You are just a resource to be used up and boxed into a category. If you do not fit exactly forget it. Never mind that you have a brain and are adaptable. A cog in the machinery of business.When you are left out or do not fit what does that make you? A defective part?
    The feeling you get from employing managers and agents is do not bother me because I’m busy and my time is valuable and I’m more important than you. There must be something wrong with you if you cannot get a job.
    Life sucks when you cannot get a job. The financial, mental and physical effects take you down.
    Sorry for the self pity rant. Trying to stay positive but some days are hard. 😐

    1. 20.1

      Glad you could get it off your chest. I wont type anything trite just wish you all the luck in the world landing some work.

    2. 20.2

      my sympathies Flip, nearly went back overseas after months of that in a pre GFC market, I now know what the issue was….I have ability and a proven track record of achievement.

      Trick is to not stand out, threaten or look anything remotely like a free thinker who may rock the boat or you may show the incumbents up.

      Show up, fit in, keep your counsel, go the AB’s, gosh that John key’s a great bloke etc etc

      1. 20.2.1

        Yep. Express an opinion or view that the boss has made a mistake. Managers are employed to do the capitalists bidding. Much like security guards protecting a tyrant.
        Hard for employees to get a say. It is only our lives that are expended in the service of the business not something important like money. (Sarcasm)

    3. 20.3

      Reminds me of something someone said to me after a round of public service downsizings 20 odd years ago, although he was quoting someone who was talking of the private sector which was also going through a time of belt-tightening to enrich the executives and investors. “Give up on your boss – they gave up on you a long time ago”.

      The young uns probably have the right attitude these days. All the mission statements and values and bollocks about the organisation valuing its staff & customers is PR garbage.Show up, work for the hours you signed up to and no more. Leave that job for something different or something better every two years or so before you get too comfortable. Don’t expect the boss to do anything more for you than employ you to do what they hired you for and pay you what they agreed to pay you. You owe the boss nothing more than to work the hours they pay you for.

    4. 20.4

      Don’t apologise Flip. You are not the one to be sorry.

      I am in the same situation as you. I sometimes begin to doubt my ability after all the let downs and some days its hard not to feel discouraged, isolated and “other”. I try to remember that this is the first time in my life that I have not been able to get work, and that we are living in shit times with an anti worker govt that treats us like disposable units. The 90 day Act is a prime example.

      You are right though. It does suck, and I hope good things are just around the corner for you. Take care.

      1. 20.4.1

        Thanks for the encouragement. Agree about the 90 day Act. Read on kiwiblog propaganda on how successful it has been from the POV of employers. Pointed out the article did not survey workers views and so it is a bit of a one-sided story.

    5. 20.5

      It is a very difficult circumstance. Your health and fitness is most important. Also keep a sharp, tight, regular daily routine. Read. Actual physical books preferred. And join some volunteer or sporting activities during the week so you continue to extend your social networks. We place a lot of importance in defining ourselves and our place in society via work. That’s worth reflecting on by itself.

      1. 20.5.1

        ‘We place a lot of importance in defining ourselves and our place in society via work. That’s worth reflecting on by itself.’

        Agree. That was me. Had to do a bit of redefining over the last few years.

      2. 20.5.2

        Good advice CV – I’ve tried to do the above. The library has provided an ongoing education and volunteering has been helpful, for social interaction and self esteem – I did gain a short term paid contract out of it too.

        Flip, something I’ve chosen to do is not engage with small minded opinionated types, the likes of which you find on kiwiblog. as mentioned at 20.4.1) Personally I find it a downer when daily life can sometimes be a struggle with the eternal budgeting and that sense the world seems against you, (even though you know its not) and then dealing with people like that, who want to bring you down and make you feel small. For others though, they might like to engage with such folks, maybe for sport, if it helps.

  22. 22

    FYI

    NZ POLITICS DAILY: Is NZ really the least corrupt country on earth?

    Bryce Edwards | Thursday December 05, 2013
    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/nz-politics-daily-5th-december-2013-149675#comment-640526

    (My comment – yet to be published….)

    In the recent Auckland Mayoral election, I polled 4th with 11,723 votes on a campaign to stop corrupt corporate control of the Auckland region.

    This is the ‘Action Plan’ upon which I campaigned, to stop ‘white collar’ crime, corruption and ‘corporate welfare’:

    http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/ANTI-CORRUPTION-WHITE-COLLAR-CRIME-CORPORATE-WELFARE-ACTION-PLAN-Ak-Mayoral-campaign-19-July-2013-2.pdf

    In my considered opinion, Transparency International’s ‘Corruption Perception Index’ is not worth the paper upon which it is written.

    How ‘transparent’ is the data upon which this ‘Corruption Perception Index’ is based?

    Is this ‘Corruption Perception Index’ not based upon the subjective opinions of anonymous business people?

    The ‘perception’ of New Zealand, as ‘the least corrupt country in the world’, is about as real as the ‘clean, green’ image.

    Pity that the reality doesn’t match the perception, and the FACTS don’t match the mantra?

    My opinion is considered, having now attended three international anti-corruption conferences, questioned and talked to anti-corruption experts, read the material, and carried out research no one else has here in New Zealand.

    Read it for yourself on http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
    http://www.occupyaucklandvsaucklandcouncilappeal.org.nz
    http://www.pennybright4epsom.org.nz
    http://www.stopthesupercity.org.nz

    Penny Bright

    Attendee: 2009 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference
    Attendee: 2010 Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference
    Attendee: 2013 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference

    1. 22.1

      Good work Penny!….I agree with you…Corruption in NZ is something to be concerned and not complacent about …….and NZ seems to be becoming more corrupt, especially in Auckland

  23. 23

    The nitwits from the use everything crowd and the thickos from federated farmers dont seem to understand that it is better to have 60% of something than 100% of nothing.
    trying to leverage the arable to the max and extract every last cent is short term and shows a distinct lack of understanding of what farming is all about.

    1. 23.1

      What it shows is the total and utter greed and selfishness of the farmers. We need to stop these fools before they destroy us.

    1. 24.1

      this is the story that will slip under the radar due to mandela’s death BUT hopefully will have a long tale.

      Saw it on 3 News but not on herald or stuff online yet

    4. 24.4

      Awesome, hopefully Ambrose wins. Key really did a number on him at the time and should be held to account for it.

  26. 26

    John Key (TV3) just now. The dead face tells us that his relationship with Nelson Mandela was “quite an intimate one…..”. Oh yeah ?

    Perhaps the twenty hours of laxing back first-class to South Africa for Nelson Mandela’s funeral will afford him time to recall which side he was on during the Springbok Tour ’81.

    Disgusting little creep of a man !

    1. 27.1

      chrs 4 the heads-up on that..

      ..i saw it @ 5.30..and scooted right over..

      ..a most excellent lecture..

      ..it was filmed..and i will be notified when it is edited etc..

      ..so will link you to it then..

      phillip ure..

  28. 28

    Mark Crysell’s commentary on TV One today
    Friday 6 December 2013

    As you’d expect, the airwaves are full of Nelson Mandela retrospectives. Television One midday news covered the rugby connection, and of course, other than the 1995 RWC final, one event above all else had to be mentioned….

    MARK CRYSELL: The 1981 tour divided the nation….

    [VIDEO montage of protests, and clashes with police]

    MARK CRYSELL: And the protests against the tour were not confined to New Zealand. But the South African police had an entirely DIFFERENT way of dealing with protestors….

    [VIDEO of police flailing protestors with sjamboks]

    We expect, as a matter of course, for our “news” services to mislead and deceive us, or more commonly to deliberately omit crucial aspects of an issue; all of that is largely for ideological reasons. But it’s still unusual to see anything as unprofessional, as plain incompetent, as Crysell’s commentary.

    Colin Craig, John Banks, Simon Bridges, Jamie Whyte—this has been a remarkable week for moronic statements fouling this country’s public discourse. But Crysell’s commentary rivals all of those others for sheer breathtaking inanity. If Crysell thinks that the South African police brutality was worse or more extreme (“an entirely DIFFERENT way of dealing with protestors”) than the ferociousness and brutality of the New Zealand Police Red Squad in 1981, then he has the memory—or more accurately, the integrity—of John Key.

    Whether it’s a bad memory or simply a lack of honesty, Crysell’s incredibly stupid commentary surely renders him unfit for his job.

    Surely Television One viewers deserve better than Mark Crysell.

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      You really are an ar5e, moz. The obvious point Crysell was making* was that the SA police force regularly killed protesters. Was that too subtle for you?

      *assuming you are quoting him correctly, which, on form, is unlikely

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        You really are a fool. Anybody that experienced or read about—you should try that some time—what the police did to protestors on that tour would have been as shocked as I was when Crysell tried to imply that the South African police whipping—not killing, and not, as the NZ police did, smashing them in the face with steel batons—were more violent.

        The violence of the New Zealand police shamed our country in 1981—but one “journalist” never noticed. And neither, it seems, did you.

        But carry on with your rancid abuse; it’s all you’ve got, obviously.

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          When the NZ police deliberately massacre a minimum of 69 people in one event, you might have a point.

          Until then, you still make Don Quixote look like he has a handle on reality.

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            When the NZ police deliberately massacre a minimum of 69 people in one event, you might have a point.

            I did not suggest the New Zealand police were as bad all the time—just in 1981. Crysell was speaking over a clip of the S.A. police using SJAMBOKS. He seemed to be unaware of the fact that the New Zealand police had perpetrated far worse violence than that.

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              look up the SA death in custody rate for about that time, you tool

              I have a huge amount of respect for the tour protestors in 1981, and I’m disgusted that a PM who can’t remember how he felt about the tour is uttering platitudes to mourn Mandela, but you’re a fucking moron if you think that the Red Squad were as bad as routine police work in SA at the time.

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              As a younger child being driven around in South Africa in 1995, I remember pulling up in a town where the day before us arriving, a crowd of high school aged students had been shot with buckshot for daring to march peacefully to occupy an abandoned white school.

              NZ police ain’t got shit on that.

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          Moz, I was a protester in 81 and I still have the helmet I was wearing at athletic park, complete with baton shaped dent. You know nothing about the tour and, obviously, less than zero about day to day life in RSA at the time.

          But, on the up side, if you work real hard and aim high, one day you could be average.

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            ..complete with baton shaped dent.

            Nice scar in my upper lip where a baton pushed my teeth through it. Had to have one of those ghastly 80’s moustaches to conceal the puckered scarred result for most of the 80’s until it disappeared into a fine white line.

            Bloody irritating thing was that it wasn’t from when I did anything remotely illegal. It was from when the police went nuts at the 3rd test “clearing” the street. Bloody police riot as they completely lost discipline was my view.

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              Reminds me of the final test match at Eden Park. As my ‘squad’ walked towards the park we passed a senior police officer (or somebody very important) dressed in a black uniform with whopping great epaulettes, and sitting in a smart highly polished red sportscar. I gave him a friendly smile. What I was given in return was the facial equivalent of a bullet through my skull. That was the mindset of the NZ Police hierarchy during that tour – ugly and sinister. Yet any reasonably sane person could see that the vast bulk of those protestors (many thousands of them) were ordinary, decent and kindly New Zealanders ranging in age from very young to very old…

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                Anne you were brave!…there is no way I would have gone there !…it looked like war, felt like war, with the police now facing the Maori gangs who really meant business!…and we were cheering for the gangs

                ….after Molesworth Street (my sister and I , one row from getting a batoning…where we screamed “Resign!”…and apparently some of the police did resign after Molesworth St…some of them looked as shocked as we felt);……and Palmerston North ( where we put on helmets and chest protectors, shin protectors and teeth guards)….where I was absolutely terrified with the army, and helicopters and the barbed wire):….and then Wellington’s Rintoul / Riddiford Street intersection… where the police shoved protesters into a glass shop front …leaving us the yellowest in the middle of Yellow Squad in the front row (squawk !)…..( however luckily for us we were facing Blue Squad, not Red( who were real mean bastards!), and the Blue Officer in charge was determined we werent going to get hurt and kept urging us to leave…we said we couldnt leave because the people behind would cop it…..and my Mother, a school teacher who had come to protect her daughters, offered Blue Squad lollies and told them off…(smirk!)I think the Blue Officer took a lolly or two rather bemused and put them in his pocket ….Blue Squad then set about softly pummeling us with their batons….. when this didn’t dislodge us they pulled my helmet off and cracked my friends ribs and threw my sister in the gutter, shoved around my mother…but thanks to the Blue officer who was watching out for us …we weren’t hurt..and eventually got out when we had had enough …only to watch police run kicking over sitting protesters):…. and then Christchurch where I saw innocent new novice protesters ….middle class, middle aged, well dressed good citizens getting a batoning…..there was no way in hell I was going to Auckland!!!!!!!!!!!

                For us it was both scary and serious, foolhardy and fun, part- time action on a matter of principle… The bravest NZers were the cold- headed public face organizers/strategists/ spokespeople like Trevor Richards and his partner Patty and Tom Newnam….who had to face the ire of rugby hooligans month after month…But of course the courage, year after year … of the activists in South Africa and Nelson Mandala …is almost unimaginable!…… and on a different plane altogether!

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            Moz, I was a protester in 81 and I still have the helmet I was wearing at athletic park, complete with baton shaped dent.

            And yet you have the hide to back up Crysell’s foolish suggestiion that police using sjamboks is as bad or worse than the brutal thuggery of the Red Squad.

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      ‘Surely Television One viewers deserve better than Mark Crysell’ ahh no Mark Crysell is exactly what you deserve expecting quality from TVNZ.

      It could be alot worse like Jack Tame who would wax lyrically about a time before he was probably born.

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    Having trouble getting into the Standard, refreshing, posting. Pity as it is a must read site. This try is in Safari instead of Firefox. Getting repeats or stopping altogether.

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    And it looks like the banksters are setting the world up for global financial another crash:

    So, they’ve found a new way to come up with real-estate-backed securities that can be turned into derivatives, worth billions in profits.
    How? They’ve become landlords.

    It’s simple.
    By renting these homes back to Americans, and securitizing America’s home-rental market, they can bundle up rental payments the same way they used to bundle mortgage payments, and sell them to investors.
    Sounds awfully familiar, doesn’t it?

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    Changing the topic, I have a friend who is currently unemployed. She is being told that she has to prove that she is actively looking for jobs. Last week she was at the WINZ office and sent to look at the jobs board – the only positions available that would suit a woman were as prostitutes.

    My friend is a confident, competent, middle aged woman. What about the younger, less articulate, more malleable women who are needing WINZ support? How many do WINZ send off into the brothels?

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