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I have followed this for YEARS ! Does anyone on the Standard have local or other knowledge on this?
Would appreciate input, thanks.
This Tim Gilbertson…..is the same as the one as a linkedin page ?
https://nz.linkedin.com/in/tim-gilbertson-898b6983
DOC Planner..Biodiversity.
Seems incongruous…at the very least ? I mean hey Forest and Bird (who I RESPECT immensely ) are against this water hoarding dam.
F and B have a very Proud History of protecting NZ Biodiversity….
It's this Tim Gilbertson, angry farmer in his 60's, ex Fed Farmers chair, ex Mayor, ex councillor.
https://www.ruralnewsgroup.co.nz/rural-news/rural-opinion/a-damn-load-of-emotional-effluent
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Hi Matiri. Thanks for that. He seems to be focused, well, in a self focused way !
As I say..if Forest and Bird against…..then I'll go F and B : )
Having ruined the Mackenzie basin/country with irrigation focussed dairying 'they' are now focussed on Central HB.
I wonder why every last piece of NZ has to be developed for dairying, apart from greed.
Whatever happened to the mana associated with being a farmer farming to the local conditions, so dryland farmers farmed to dryland conditions etc etc. With a modicum of irrigation used say to irrigate paddocks for winter feed or baleage. Some of these dryland farms often don't need irrigation for this even but are able to use the topography and weather records to plant for winter feed in niche areas.
Sure climate change is making its presence felt. I think that unless/until these developments are able to be sold with the benefits being first to the residents of nearby towns and cities to achieve improved regular and potable water supplies then developments should not go ahead. Developments with a first focus of changing geography/farming/landuse to unsuitable/unsustainable uses should come a distant 100th,
If this would be prevented by Three Waters ie there is a focus on drinking water for the majority then I'm all for Three Waters ……well I am all for Three Waters anyway.
Greed and entitlement is behind this.
Hi Shanreagh. Yes re Mackenzie Basin…Another one I have followed for years. And big credit to Greenpeace for standing up ! Thankyou for being Interested.
Greed…and entitlement. Two apt words for Murray Valentine. Accountant ….
How will Three Waters ensure better water quality in rivers and streams (not to mention sufficient water)? It seems to be directed at drinking water and waste water.
The Three Waters TV advert (since pulled) showed lots of happy fish jumping in a river but I suspect that was just feel-good puffery.
You could say I'm aware of how to construct it.
They could propose a new scheme under National that is lowered and doesn't require DOC land, then…
Focus end uses away from. Dairy and towards horticulture, electricity, reticulated, civic supplies, and flood mitigation.
Would also take a strong local government leader to push it.
And a good comms and engagement team.
Perfectly feasible.
Sure engineering-wise it is able to be constructed.
The greed and entitlement on show here could be mitigated by a project that
did not need soul selling in the 'stoopid' swap for DOC land. Set their sights lower so it does not require a swap.
Focus on the end users
I would put 'horticulture' at the end……..civic projects and help for all should have a place before the creation of individual wealth. We know some horticultural projects are not good employers or NZ corporate citizens, have excessive reliance on overseas labour whether by RSE scheme or back packers. Any intensification of land use risks run-off and migration to aquifers that rely on loose stony ground.
Having been aware of the proponents of this scheme, changes such as this (Ad's and mine) will cause a group apoplexy such as we have not seen before.
3 Waters surely would have a part to play to see that ideas focus on the correct end uses.
If we leave it to Ad's Nats then who knows what would happen…..well we do and none of it would be good.
Under 3 Waters any dam proponent who failed to cut in Maori iwi as shareholders would need their head read.
If three waters had been in post war,we would have had no hydro generation,a reliance on thermals and been economically rooted like Europe et al.Forest and bird would not have existed as the subsistence life that remained would have needed lots of firewood to cook illegal tegal.
Yeah there's a bit of that.
In reality there will be no more in-river dams in NZ ever – unless it's replacing like for like eg Roxburgh. Even the NZBattery Project near Roxburgh is a decade of misery-laden bitching and moaning consents to cold-turkey pull the oil needle out of our veins.
We have more cost efficient pumped storage on the canals,and Aviemore,cheap hydro is very efficient baseline generation (few countries in the world have 2 cents a megawatt on their spot market at the moment.( now)
The great fraud of Europe is exposed,as are their carbon offset markets.
A time and a place for everything under the sun – some things have had their time, some are making hay, and some things are yet to come. Dim sum.
Britain is about to end up with a dinosaur as PM.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/01/liz-truss-oil-gas-energy-climate-crisis
Among other things Owen Jones says:
"Liz Truss – already a plausible contender for the “worst prime minister ever” gong before she even assumes office – apparently intends to issue up to 130 drilling licences for oil and gas firms…..Truss has committed to change planning laws to hinder the development of solar power, trashing an energy source that costs just £55 per MWh. “Our fields shouldn’t be full of solar panels” she crows…..This week, scientists concluded that the Greenland ice cap melting will inevitably mean major rises in sea levels, threatening to overwhelm coastal areas and all those who live in them. A decisive shift to renewable energy offers hope of at least mitigating this calamity, while expanding UK drilling means pouring North Sea oil on to the inferno. "
I can see a Luxon government following a similar path.
Russia really ought to turn some of the focus from it's fascist crusade in the Ukraine to addressing the serious health and safety issue that its vast number of full length open windows in public building seems to pose.
Its like the joke –
Q: What are the last words of a Russian oligarch before he commits suicide?
A: “Please! Don’t shoot!”
First article I’ve read from Peter Dunne where he doesn’t put the boot into Labour. Makes an interesting argument comparing Ian Foster and Chris Luxon.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/luxon-in-danger-of-becoming-the-ian-foster-of-nz-politics?utm_source=Friends+of+the+Newsroom&utm_campaign=7a872e0b06-Daily_Briefing+02.09.2022&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_71de5c4b35-7a872e0b06-47886425
He does stick the boot in a bit over the Sharma (non) affair. But it is interesting that he is not impressed with Luxon's performance as leader. Coming from Dunne that is a real problem for the Nats.
Now this is a Labour bill that I can get behind 100% – Plain Language bill passes second reading.
The amount of obfuscatory language emerging from government departments is mind-blowing.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/129751653/labours-plain-language-bill-passes-second-reading
National opposing – mostly it seems from the ingrained habit (see a car, bark) – that tends to infect opposition parties.