Open Mike 15/09/2026

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    1. 2.1

      National at 27% could mean no list MPs at all.

      Their problem (and it's a big one) is that MPs in marginal electorates will fight desperately to hold their seats, against the overall swing. Nobody is going to sacrifice their own jobs for the good of the party (Luxon didn't, so why should his backbenchers be more selfless than their leader?).

      They will almost certainly end up with MPs they don't really want, and lose list MPs they do want.

      1. 2.1.1

        I'm not sure what's happening around the country Obs, but here in the Waitaki, National's Miles Anderson faces a battle because he is up against Michael Laws and Damian O'Connor.

        With some tactical voting by the Greens (for Damian obviously) there is a reasonable chance that Damian will sneak through the middle as the Right's vote is split.

        1. 2.1.1.1

          That would be karma as Damien lost his West Coast Tasman seat last election when Maureen Pugh snuck through the middle as a Bathurst mining backed candidate split the vote.

          1. 2.1.1.1.1

            Maureen Pugh is one of those MPs that Luxon should be asked about, if the snoozing press gallery ever wake up.

            Do National want her instead of Nicola Willis? Of course not. But will they say so? Also no.

          2. 2.1.1.1.2

            The candidate question and Party? This election reminds me of Hooray for Captain Spalding from Animal Crackers – Groucho Marx and Brothers are the sort of men we need I think.

            CAPTAIN SPALDING (Groucho Marx):
            Hello—I must be going.
            I cannot stay.
            I came to say
            I must be going.
            I'm glad I came,
            But just the same,
            I must be going.
            La, la!

            MRS. RITTENHOUSE (Margaret Dumont):
            For my sake you must stay.
            If you should go away,
            You'd spoil this party I am throwing.

            SPALDING: I'll stay a week or two.
            I'll stay the summer through,
            But I am telling you,
            I must be going.

            ENSEMBLE: Before you go, will you oblige us
            And tell us of your deeds so glowing?

            SPALDING: I'll do anything you say.
            In fact I'd even stay.
            https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=954

            And so it goes…

      2. 2.1.2

        For many elections, the 'special relationship ' between National and ACT for Epsom has suited both.

        With ACT at 9% and no longer needing a hand up to get into parliament, and Goldschmidt looking marginal on the list, it might be National that needs the helping hand from ACT for this election.

        If it goes that way, the rest of the country won't be too happy to witness the dirty politics, methinks.

        Labour, Green, here’s your chance to take advantage of the split vote between those who stay with the old arrangement and those who don’t.

        Love to see Epsom go Labour!!

      1. 2.2.1

        I thought Hipkins was pretty good on Morning Report today. I still think he will out-debate Luxon if given the chance.

        That is a big if.

        1. 2.2.1.1

          Chris Hipkins came across really well on TVNZ's Breakfast this morning – clear, assertive and matter-of-fact, as was Vanushi Walters last week opposite Nicola Willis on Breakfast and Morning Report. Willis became defensive and angry, while Walters remained calm and factual.

          It's great that Hipkins and other Labour MPs are calling out National's repeated lies about Labour's policies.

    2. 2.3

      I notice Chris Penk has written an opinion piece (on Stuff below) yesterday on the Opportunity Party. His intention is to sink Opportunity below the 5% threshhold as according to the Freshwater poll Labour/Greens/TPM need their 6% to form a government.

      An interesting ploy with Penk is that he has framed his argument as Opportunity being a threat to the Centre-Left. The opinion piece is titled "The Opportunity Party could be disastrous for the centre-left".

      It seems to me that he is going after the Opportunity Party's ability to be the ultimate king maker by pointing out to Centre-Right voters that gaining the threshold would threaten the National/ACT/NZF 49% and to the Centre -Left that Opportunity would "be disastrous" to them. Consequently, he's no doubt hoping that both will ditch Opportunity.

      https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/361032147/one-thing-five-million-kiwis-can-still-agree

      His argument is that Opportunity will ruin Labour's chances to form a Coalition by insisting on taxes and thereby doubling down on National's attack on Labour as being a party of taxation in a coalition seeking new taxes.

      Now I don't believe that Penk is in here hoping to help the Centre-Left. It is, I argue, an attack on Opportunity framed in such a way to persuade both sides not to support their king-maker role.

      1. 2.3.1

        The only thing Stuff should be asking from Chris Penk is the truth about the failed caucus coup and Luxon lying about it.

        It is astonishing that they think he should be given a platform for propaganda instead.

        1. 2.3.1.1

          It is astonishing that they think he should be given a platform for propaganda instead.

          Don’t click on it, don’t read it, don’t share it, don’t waste your time on it, because there are better ways to spend your time and you’ll never get it back, IMO.

      2. 2.3.2

        Penk is fearful TOP is a gateway to a better funded Labour led government.

        The Tory 2024 strategy involved cutting NI contributions by employees to place budget pressure on the incoming Labour government.

        The irony is his own party is facing rising debt costs because of their economic mismanagement.

    3. 2.5

      Opp will only swing one way, and that is to the left. All their policies are left leaning, they have ex-Labour people in the background such as Ian Lees-G, and National have already ruled out working with them as their policies are too far apart.

      1. 2.5.1

        Swinging left or right – are you talking about politics with dancing in mind? It takes two to tango. The way that our politics are going we common folk who don't talk blithely in $millions, won't be go-ing anywhere. Don't leap to accept what Opp is proposing, their ideas are not viable, when time and study and experience are applied.

        1. 2.5.1.1

          Don't leap to accept what Opp is proposing, their ideas are not viable, when time and study and experience are applied.

          Can you produce any evidence that their ideas are "not viable". I doubt whether any concrete evidence exists, one sway or the other, but reason suggests that their ideas would be viable. Perhaps you should look at Guy Standing's literature on the subject of UBIs.

      2. 2.5.2

        I agree that they will lean Labour if the numbers are even. But if the coalition is closer to a majority and/or National are the largest party (2 different things of course) then Luxon ruling them out means absolutely nothing.

        Nobody seriously believes that National and the coalition parties would meekly move to the opposition benches instead of picking up the phone and having the conversation.

        The script for Luxon writes itself: "I had to save the country from the Greens and TPM, so as my patriotic duty I reluctantly broke my promise …".

        They've probably drafted the speech already.

      3. 2.5.3

        Whatever any of the party leaders might be saying right now, once the election results are confirmed, each and every one of them is capable of spinning on a dime and going with whoever seems likeliest to provide them with a pathway into power.

    4. 2.7

      Yet another poll with the results within the margin of error.

      There really is no point in reading the tea leaves from any them.

      The only meaningful trend is the increase in support for the minor parties at the expense of both Labour and National – which has no impact on the left/right bloc. And whether TOP will get over 5% or be a wasted vote.

  1. 3

    Lords of the Flies…..FFS how far have we come? Where are we going? The bullies, as ever….standing over the weak, IMO seems now increasingly.IMO particularly prevalent in the Justice (esp corrections !),MSD,and Health Systems (and FYI before the usual start up…my Link example is nothing anti Maori…I am and always have been anti bully which our present Society/Govt is enabling, if not encouraging to ever extreme levels)

    Oranga Tamariki staff present during 'walking the line' assault

    Official Oranga Tamariki (OT) documents seen by RNZ confirmed that a 'walking the line' assault took place.

    That was explained as a situation where young people stand either side of the internal door of the main entrance to the unit and wait to farewell the young person being discharged.

    In this instance, three young people stood on one side and two on the other.

    I feel for this person. I remember from school the same kind of fckwits in the corridor turning the lights off. Teachers would not walk down it. Apart from one. I (obviously) still remember and respect him.

    The document described the young person being discharged as standing at the top of the line. It said "he appeared nervous and was hesitant to walk towards the door".

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/crime-and-justice/1380198/oranga-tamariki-staff-present-during-walking-the-line-assault

    This kind of thing still goes on in corrections….where the guards…stand by. Law of..the jungle. No wonder people are scarred and…carry it downward. Many examples can be found by a simple search.

    Forget the woke slurs..IMO We need an Empathetic Govt…leading to the same in Society

    1. 5.1

      "Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has refrained from directly criticising Lloyd Budd over the remarks, but said his candidate was right to confirm his position."

      But he had already made his position clear earlier, arrived at after 43 years of living on planet Earth.

      "Asked by Newsroom whether he believed in global warming, Budd responded: “I don’t think so, no.”

      Hipkins comments in the article are excellent

      1. 5.1.1

        There are so many things I could say about Luxon’s candidate, but I won’t. National needs better candidates in addition to needing better leadership.

        Coalition Mark II would be so much worse than imagined, think Trump’s second term compared to his first.

    2. 5.2

      We all know that a phone call from National Party leadership is all that it takes for a neophyte National candidate to reinterpret the evidence and come to a different conclusion.

      Lloyd Budd is the anti-Galileo – someone forced by a higher authority to recant on fallacies, rather than on truth. Though it took the Catholic Church several hundred years to pardon Galileo's heresy, the National Party managed that overnight.

      I wonder if National Party candidate selection processes ask potential candidates about climate change. Surely the Party knows that their Party does attract weird CC deniers and should really be trying to filter them out?

      1. 5.2.2

        I wonder if National Party candidate selection processes ask potential candidates about climate change.

        I believe being a real-estate agent automatically qualifies for a position on the National Party list.

  2. 6

    On Friday our cost of debt went above 5%.

    The TPU is not happy – noting deficits and debt is on a worse trend than 3 years ago.

    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon says New Zealand must pay back its debt and that the country is one of the few on track to do so.

    Taxpayers’ Union executive director Jordan Williams disputed Luxon’s claims, slamming them as “bizarre”.

    "The first step in fixing a problem is acknowledging it. Far from undertaking fiscal consolidation, [Finance Minister] Nicola Willis has grown government spending and actually accelerated borrowing since [former Labour finance minister Grant] Robertson was in charge,“ Williams said.

    No PM presiding over low growth and negative real wages can escape consequences.

    https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/361080409/christopher-luxon-claims-nz-leading-fiscal-consolidation-says-debt-must-be-paid-back

    1. 7.1

      This is significant, while only 5% get the MW, so many more in are its orbit – thus if put into effect would impact c10% of workers.

      The combination with National's compulsory KiwiSaver contributions is an absurdity.

    2. 7.2

      ACT truly are a heinous party.

      Wage growth is already significantly behind inflation, particularly in food, fuel and power bills. Noone has any spare cash to spend in the economy.

      This is basic economics- if the customers have empty pockets, how on earth can a business survive? Seymour is a nutjob.

      1. 7.2.1

        Absolutely. A dangerous nutcase.

        In a striking interview clip, former ACT candidate Leo Foley recounts a defining exchange during his candidate selection interview with party leader David Seymour and the ACT board.

        When asked how he would navigate discussions on Te Tiriti o Waitangi and co-governance with Māori leaders, Foley warned that dismissing the Treaty as a constitutional foundation would cause widespread chaos. Seymour’s alleged reaction? According to Foley, Seymour looked him in the eye and stated it would cause "a civil war."

        He would like nothing better than violence breaking out along racial lines. He is a genuine fascist such that reason and logic can not be applied to him.

        https://substack.com/@drharpreetsingh/note/c-329436460

  3. 10

    A number of nations allow citizenship to grandchildren of former citizens.

    Shane Jones would not allow this for indigenous Maori, even if they were born here.

    The great poet, orator and speaker of government prose apologises for himself here.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/politics_election-2026/1384905/they-re-not-coming-home-shane-jones-defends-denying-citizenship-to-australia-based-maori

    He is selling an imported border security narrative created offshore (UKIP/Reform GOP/AFD Swedish Democrats/Rassemblement National), because he is such a visionary.

      1. 10.1.1

        https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/politics_election-2026/1340334/act-and-nz-first-pitch-tighter-immigration-controls-others-warn-against-anti-immigration-policies

        Three great forces rule the world: stupidity, fear and greed. – Einstein

        Tbh, I don't understand the recent rise in antipathy towards dual citizenship, nor the enthusiasm for abolishing the voting rights of permanent resident Kiwis.

        Dual citizenship is not uncommon. Regressive changes would be curtains for NZ, imo.

        Multiple nationality allowed without restriction
        Multiple nationality restricted to specific cases

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_citizenship

        1. 10.1.1.1

          We would have to adopt the Philippines rule if we did so, to protect New Zealanders who became Australian citizens to access rights there.

          • Natural-born Filipinos: People who were citizens of the Philippines from birth and later became naturalized citizens of another country
          • Dual by birth: Children born abroad to at least one Filipino parent.

          The East and South Asian nation refusal to allow dual citizenship has some here remaining permanent residents, rather than applying for citizenship.

          Thus it would appear to be the major target of NZFirst in proposing to denying voting rights to those that are permanent residents.

        2. 10.1.1.2

          The antipithy is humans are meant to be equal under the law, not some getting a better deal because of a fluke been born to the right parents, I'd ad that to get nz citizenship should only come with the relinquishing of the other passport.

              1. 10.1.1.2.1.1.1

                Agreed, and neither will one passport. What might the beneficial outcomes of a change from multiple to one passport be? I’m not sure what changing the order of words on the cover of NZ passports achieved.
                Anyway, we can agree to disagree.

      2. 10.1.2

        The specific issue raised here is that those born here, with grandparents born here, being denied New Zealand citizenship under NZF First Party policy.

        Many nations Ireland, Italy, UK Spain, Germany etc allow pathways for grandchildren of former citizens to apply for citizenship (even if born overseas).

        To end dual citizenship would harm New Zealanders in Australia (they have to become Oz citizens to access rights there).

    1. 10.2

      Not following you, here

      Shane Jones would not allow this for indigenous Maori, even if they were born here.

      I don't think that Jones is proposing to deny citizenship to Maori born in NZ.

      Or are you seeing something I'm not?

      1. 10.2.1

        Read the article.

        We ended birthright citizenship in 2005.

        Jones is arguing that where the grandparent went overseas and their child was born overseas. then that child cannot confer citizenship on their own child, even if that child was born here.

        1. 10.2.1.1

          That seems like a really niche situation. The family has been resident in another country for at least one generation, but choose to come to NZ in order for the grandchild to be born here.

          The more common scenario is that the grandparents went overseas. Their child was born overseas – but can choose to inherit the NZ parent's citizenship. However, it stops there. You don't get ongoing NZ citizenship because of a great, great grandparent who was a Kiwi (or Maori).

          This doesn't seem like an unreasonable policy.

  4. 11

    Apologies for this long copy paste (mod delete if it's beyond reasonable), this Q & A with Richard Denniss, of the the Australia Institute, is so on point, just substitute NZ for Australia, many of us have the exact same concerns. He explains it very clearly.

    What's the point of Data Centres? | What's the Point?

    https://youtu.be/IFjcUHBA7jA

    So why are they so keen to give our cheap energy, cheap water and land and other things away to these tech companies? Well, they say for the economy.

    Well, we need to ask much harder questions. How is it good for workers? How is it good for government revenue? How is it good for our environment? Be specific, minister. And when they say the economy, here's a trick. Just substitute the words rich people's yacht money instead of economy.

    And to be clear, we do need some data centres somewhere, but if politicians aren't honest with us about the rules, uh, and how where the water's going to come from, where the energy is going to come from, people are going to get very angry very fast.

    When these data centres get built, you know, there's skilled labour involved to lay all the concrete, the wiring, the plumbing, some electricians, some builders do their job and then a huge amount of imported chips and air conditioners and everything else come in and then going forward there aren't really many jobs. But our politicians get so excited about saying, "Look at the construction jobs. Look at these construction jobs in this data centre.

    Well, guess what? When you build a hospital, it's a lot of construction jobs. And going forward, there's a lot of nurses, there's a lot of doctors, there's a lot of everything. Same with schools, same with everything. So, yeah, it's a really good question, Anna, because in Australia, we've kind of convinced ourselves that private sector investment in things that foreign companies want, gas export hubs, data centres, that's really good. and we focus on the upsides of that. Whereas with things like schools and hospitals or roads or train stations, we're like, "Oh, well, look at the cost of that." You know, how many times have you heard people talk about the cost of the renewable energy uh roll out? Well, yeah, the investment in renewable energy is huge, but when it's renewable energy, it's bad. And when it's data centre, it's investment and it's good. So unfortunately something as simple as laying a concrete slab in Australia is highly politicized.

    Slabs for data centres good. Slabs for renewable energy bad. Slabs for hospitals bad.

    But if we're building things that we need that deliver us benefits for decades to come, that's great. And if those things keep employing Australians, that's even better. And if those things pay taxes here in Australia and indeed pay dividends here in Australia, that's fantastic. But the thing about data centres is they're like gas. There are a few construction jobs up front, almost no jobs going forward, and the profits go offshore, the dividends go offshore, the taxes barely get paid. And somehow our political class are trying to say, look at the benefits of that while, as you said, ignoring the benefits of investing in the things we really know we do need. So, it's not good economics. They seem to think it's good politics, but as we can see in the US, it's very dangerous politics to just try to tell communities there is no alternative. You have to have these big projects there whether you like them or not.

    Look, Australia is a rich country. We can afford to have anything we want, but we can't afford to have everything we want. We have to prioritize. And ultimately, that's what economics is supposed to be about. How do we prioritize? What do we want more of? What do we want less of?

    If we put all of our best workers into building data centres, they're workers that aren't employed building houses. They're workers that aren't employed installing renewable energy. They're workers that aren't employed building the infrastructure our cities need. what economists call the opportunity cost, the things we give up are really important.

    And this enormous boom in the construction of data centres is pulling our scarce, skilled labour away from building things that we definitely need towards things that are getting built that maybe we'll need, but we know that the profits and dividends will flow offshore. We know that most of the benefits will flow offshore.

    And the at the same time we're saying well we just we just don't have the skilled workforce to build all the public housing that we might need. So data centres aren't evil but spending a fortune building energy hungry data centre right now is a very big bet that we're making in Australia. And the price of that bet is the things we're not building instead. things we know we need.

    And it'll be a few years, maybe a few decades before we can really count the cost, but it's pretty obvious we need more renewable energy, more housing, and more public infrastructure. Every thousand workers in a data centre construction boom, a thousand workers that aren't building something else we really need.

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