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Open Mike 09/07/25

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  1. Todays Posts 1

    Today's Posts (updated through the day):

    What happened to the Epstein Client List?

  2. Ad 2

    Yesterday tge Minister of Local Government praised Selwyn District as the first to get its new water entity CCO up. Basically keeps it to themselves and doesn't share.

    And also yesterday Waitaki pulled out of the Southland-Gore-Clutha water group.

    Dunedin retains its water entity. So does Christchurch. And Queenstown-Lakes.

    All those anti-Three Waters areas aren't buying the National alternative.

  3. Ad 3

    Santana just bought nearly 3,000 hectares above Tarras ready for the new Bendigo gold mine.

    This will dwarf Macraes monster pit. It's happening and it's mad.

    • bwaghorn 3.1

      Gee you've made to comments in to days about goings on without citing or linking, just random little rants, 🤔

      • Bearded Git 3.1.2

        He does have a credible track record…does this count for nothing?

        • bwaghorn 3.1.2.1

          Just being naughty ad might know why,

          I'd love to know why he's anti the mine , because it's mining or because it's will sully the holiday homes back yard?

          • Ad 3.1.2.1.1

            I freely admit that Otago's economy was founded on gold mining, and that the Bendigo seam was mined successfully for gold for decades.

            I also happily agree that this is the right time to be mining gold at over US$3,200 an ounce which is extraordinary.

            There's good grounds to be against it.

            – New Zealanders including locals had no capacity to object to it since it was one of the legislated Fast Track projects. Truly insufficient scrutiny of all of its effects.

            – It will be easily the size of the Macraes mine which has essentially formed a new mountain range with the tailings, and a new toxic lake with the evaporating sludge. Go on line and check out the scale of that thing; far, far bigger than Waihi.

            – I object to the "quarry-enclave" economy we should be getting away from. We have dead and dying viollages up and down the west Coast if you want to see what that is. It generates a wee temporary enclave of beneficiaries with solid salaries, then it closes down once the resource is extracted and there's no sustained economy to keep a village or town going.

            – The socialised harm for the public to deal with is towards the end of the life of the mine, and that always falls on you and me. Inevitably the company is nowhere to be found when it comes to rehabilitation of toxic dumps, cyanide sludge dams, and actual landscape-scale rehabilitation.

        • gsays 3.1.2.2

          "does this count for nothing?*

          No, because it that would come down to how popular the claims are.

          One person's proven track record is another's anti-vaxxer

  4. PsyclingLeft.Always 4

    Conflict of Interest? We don' need no steenkin' conflict of interest ! (fyi : blazing saddles bandits)

    New KiwiRail director Scott O'Donnell linked to NZ First donation, government loan

    Scott O'Donnell is one of the four directors of Dynes Transport Tapanui, which donated $20,000 to NZ First in July 2024.

    The company is also involved in a project which recently received a government regional infrastructure loan of $8 million.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/566354/new-kiwirail-director-scott-o-donnell-linked-to-nz-first-donation-government-loan

    Scott is not only Dynes Transport ( a rural trucker outfit from Tapanui) he also has much involvement with HW Richardson….

    https://www.hwr.co.nz/about-us/meet-the-team

    There was competition for this No Conflict project…..

    NZ First's Shane Jones announced the government loan for the project days after a competing project was revealed.

    Calder Stewart had plans for a 55-hectare development on heavy industrial-zoned land near Milton, which would be approximately 50 kilometres southwest of Dunedin. It would be connected to State Highway 1 and the South Island's main trunk line and its development would be privately funded.

    Jones told RNZ to the best of his knowledge he was not aware of another proposal for an inland port. He said five ministers were involved in making the decision regarding the Regional Infrastructure Fund loan, including National's Nicola Willis, Chris Bishop, Tama Potaka and Simon Watts.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/566354/new-kiwirail-director-scott-o-donnell-linked-to-nz-first-donation-government-loan

    • Ad 4.1

      Until we get a really well funded Commerce Commission with powers more like the ACCC, in reality New Zealand's entire political economy is just a series of tight postcolonial networks with a few upstarts thrown in each decade.

      • AB 4.1.1

        "series of tight postcolonial networks" = small-time, provincial, politely 'Kiwi' mafia

        • Bearded Git 4.1.1.1

          It's not just corruption but also talentless cronyism that you get from this atrocious COC….I'm still getting over Paul Henry being appointed to the TVNZ board.

          So inappropriate.

          One term government.

        • PsyclingLeft.Always 4.1.1.2

          small-time, provincial, politely 'Kiwi' mafia

          IMO you could substitute town for time, and be also on the money as it were.

          As I (and others) are well aware, these hidden 1%er gangs really run them.Very lucrative. Membership ? Those who know the reality of it all..will indeed know who they are.

    • Phillip ure 4.2

      And it only cost twenty grand…to get $8million taxpayer paid subsidy..

      That is some return on investment..

      ..and politicians come quite cheap in this country .eh..?

      • Drowsy M. Kram 4.2.1

        That is some return on investment..

        ..and politicians come quite cheap in this country .eh..?

        Yep, this CoC lot aims to take what’s left of the Kiwi commons – thick as thieves.

        Follow the money [The Standard, 15 August 2011] wink
        The pernicious influence of money in politics is growing across the democracies. We are increasingly seeing government of the rich, by the rich, for the rich. It’s as though those with much more than they need have decided that the way to hang on to what they have is to take over government for themselves.

        Public assets must go Go GO! That revenue rightfully belongs to the sorted.

        Regulatory Standards Bill under fire for limiting Parliament’s sovereignty [19 June 2025]
        In a lake stocked with minnows and minnow-eating pike, freedom for the pike means death to the minnows.” Isaiah Berlin was warning us to be wary of occasions when the rich [sorted] and powerful seek greater freedom. They already have a great deal of freedom, usually a lot more than the rest of us.

  5. Ad 5

    Not that I would expect either truth or gratitude from our squillionaire class no matter how glorious their technological prowess, could Peter Beck scale the hubris back just a smidge?

    In case anyone forgets, the New Zealand government had to set up an entire new regulatory arm just to deal with this business. And in actual taxpayer subsidy to get it off the ground so to speak, Beck should at least thank the following taxpayers for these subsidies:

    • US$45 million: From the state of Virginia to support the Neutron rocket program.
    • US$24.35 million: From the US Space Force for the Neutron rocket's upper stage development.
    • US$41 million: From the US CHIPS Act for semiconductor manufacturing.
    • US$44 million: From New Mexico to support solar cell production.
    • $8.3 million: From the Provincial Growth Fund (New Zealand) for road infrastructure to the Mahia launch site.
    • $15 million (NZD): From Callaghan Innovation (New Zealand) for research and development.
    • $2.85 million: Wage subsidy from the New Zealand government during the COVID-19 pandemic.
  6. Sanctuary 6

    The Economy is going backwards at a huge rate, the lady who repairs my watches told me her business is down 70% on even their meat and potatoes stuff, and the neighbour – a well regarded builder with several staff – has laid everyone off and is on the verge of a mental breakdown since he has had no substantial work for three months. local retail is in free fall, our regular café has reduced hours and got rid of staff.

    If this was happening under a Labour govt NZME would have wall to wall coverage. Instead, we get snide sniping at Hipkins and silence on the real economy.

    • BK 6.1

      Yes, I am in construction and it's pretty ugly out there, Since the interest rates have almost hit the lowest they will go I think the hurt is about to get worse towards the end of this year as it gave a small break earlier in the year. The cost of living, expenses, materials, gas all still on the rise has lots of companies on the line.

      • Cricklewood 6.1.1

        Every business is in the same boat, its going to take a long time to improve. It will take a while for people to come off their fixed rates and onto the lower rates not to mention fincancially recover. Lots of young people servicing 750k and up mortgages that basically have no discretionary spending at last years interest rates.

        Given its the first time lots of mortgage holders have experienced higher interest rates suspect people are going to be far more cautious before topping up the mortgage for a new kitchen, car or holiday and banks wont lend so readily either as a heap of equity has been lost if you enterered the market in the last 3-4 years.

      • Hunter Thompson II 6.1.2

        What is making the cost of construction materials rise?

    • joe90 6.2

      Because government’s budget is just like a household budget.

      /

      Briefly in the news from Aotearoa’s political economy around housing, poverty and climate on Tuesday, July 8:

      1. On the eve of an expected pause in rate cuts, the Reserve Bank’s new ‘NowCast’ real-time measure of economic activity shows GDP has fallen back into recessionary territory in the last three months. See more in The Lead and Chart of the Day below the paywall fold, and hear more in the podcast above.
      2. PM Christopher Luxon and Finance Minister Nicola Willis said through the first six months of the year their Government and Budget 2025 was focused on ‘growth, growth, growth’, but the Crown Accounts for the 11 months to the end of May actually show the Government invested $6.4 billion less than last year and $3.6 billion less than forecast. See more in The Sidebar.

      […]


      (full size image https://d5xv2m7azciwm3.archive.li/fKkJX/2dc0b92c176853e13164263e6596ca8886e416ee.webp )

      https://thekaka.substack.com/p/nz-economy-sliding-back-into-recession

      • Ad 6.2.1

        Great graph. Very depressing.

      • Drowsy M. Kram 6.2.2

        There is no recession in New Zealand, at least not under a NAct govt – Yeah right.

        Austerity and recession: 3 simple graphs that explain New Zealand’s economic crisis [16 Oct 2024]
        Right now in New Zealand, the IS [“investment–saving”] curve is remorselessly shifting left as the economy plunges into a deeper recession exacerbated by government austerity – an ideologically driven quest for instant fiscal surpluses, low public debt and a shrinking public sector relative to GDP.

        Meanwhile, corporate profiteering and rising government charges continue to put upward pressure on the Phillips Curve, and the balance of payments is weakening. This means the country as a whole is piling up increasing debts to the rest of the world (largely through the Australian-owned banks).

        The question is, does the current government understand where its policies are taking us?

        Geoff Bertram has such a cheek to ask that question! Nicky No Boats' economic chops are the stuff of myth and legend – a bit like Liz Truss.

    • tc 6.3

      On top of the patsy msm interviews and various soapboxes for coalition friendly views the sheeple get well funded spin out and about.

      Tron has Potaka up on a large e-bill board claiming reduced emergency housing and more against a thumbs up economy.

    • Incognito 6.4

      You cannot measure pain but there’s a lot of underlying pain in NZ.

      Activity indices for the services and manufacturing sectors took a "disastrous" dive in May. BNZ economists said the data were consistent with a return to recession, though they were not forecasting one.

      https://www.interest.co.nz/economy/134140/reserve-bank-plans-keep-cutting-rates-doesn%E2%80%99t-want-risk-inflation-reigniting

  7. joe90 7

    Media and business told themselves that the little corporal wouldn’t do the insane things he said he was going to do, too

    /

    Hitler’s Terrible Tariffs

    By seeking to “liberate” Germans from a globalized world order, the Nazi government sent the national economy careening backwards.

    By Timothy W. Ryback

    From almost the moment Adolf Hitler took office as chancellor of Germany, tariffs were at the top of his government’s economic agenda. The agricultural sector’s demands for higher tariffs “must be met,” Hitler’s economic minister, Alfred Hugenberg, declared on Wednesday, February 1, 1933, just over 48 hours into Hitler’s chancellorship, “while at the same time preventing harm to industry.” Foreign Minister Konstantin von Neurath was concerned about lumber imports from Austria and a 200-million-reichsmark trade deal with Russia. With several trade agreements about to expire, Hitler’s finance minister, Count Johann Ludwig Graf Schwerin von Krosigk, insisted that “immediate decisions” needed to be made. Hitler told his cabinet he had only one priority—to avoid “unacceptable unrest” in advance of the March 5 Reichstag elections, which he saw as key to his hold on power.

    […]

    “National Socialism demands that the needs of German workers no longer be supplied by Soviet slaves, Chinese coolies, and Negroes,” Feder wrote. Germany needed German workers and farmers producing German goods for German consumers. Feder saw “import restrictions” as key to returning the German economy to the Germans. “National Socialism opposes the liberal world economy, as well as the Marxist world economy,” Feder wrote. Our fellow Germans must “be protected from foreign competition.”

    Even though Hitler’s own foreign minister, Konstantin von Neurath, was concerned that the strategy would spark a trade war, and could drive up the price of imported eggs by 600 percent, Feder’s tariffs fit into Hitler’s larger vision for “liberating” the German people from the shackles of a globalized world order.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/04/nazi-germany-tariffs-trade/682521/

    archivedotli

    • KJT 7.1

      Tariffs and protectionism are not always a bad thing.

      Undirected and idealogical ones imposed at random by fools such as Trump are dysfunctional.

      However, note that our dairy industry grew because we have mollycoddled it with protection, subsidies and Government assistance. Something which many of our potentially more economically productive industries, could well have done with!

      Working people can see perfectly well that they have been, mostly, the losers with the idealogical mania for “Free trade” and globalisation.

      I can see the attraction of the alternatives.