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Big Hairy Te Tiriti Debate

Written By: - Date published: 7:01 pm, August 15th, 2026 - 13 comments
Categories: casey costello, david seymour, election 2026, marama davidson, willie jackson - Tags: , , , ,

From BHN’s youtube feed:

Join us for an evening of debate and conversation about the Treaty/Te Tiriti, Māori issues in NZ and what political parties are promoting for the voter in this year’s election

The debaters for the night are:
David Seymour (ACT)
Casey Costello (NZ First)
Willie Jackson (Labour)
Marama Davidson (Greens)

Also participating is:
Pat & Chewie (BHN)
Paul Barlow (The Collective)
Ripeka Lessels (NZEI)
Nathan Seiuli (Pillar NZ)

13 comments on “Big Hairy Te Tiriti Debate ”

  1. weka 1

    David Seymour pulled out the other day, looks like Casey Costello has cancelled as well.

    • weka 1.1

      Marama Davidson starts by talking about the value of Te Tiriti for all of us.

      Willie Jackson says this government is the worst attack on the treaty and Māori of his lifetime.

      • Mercurio 1.1.1

        I'm watching. It's good.

        • greywarshark 1.1.1.1

          I don't watch that sort of exciting thing, bad for my heart. But who is in place of Seymour and Costello if they have withdrawn? Could someone give short coverage. Marama coming along well still?

          I have hopes for Willie Jackson but then I used to think that Shane Jones would be the man to appeal to the people and deal at their level, but he went to Harvard, and simplicity and straight thinking got lost if it had ever been in his mind. Harvard discovered new approaches.

        • weka 1.1.1.2

          very good. I'm glad Seymour and Costello bailed, it was so good to see the six of them sitting there saying what needed to be said, and sharing, good story telling! without the aggro and bullshit.

  2. Patricia Bremner 2

    They, Seymore and Costello, jump up and down about "free speech", but don't want to front up to other opinions. Debates are the foundation of democratic sharing of ideas.

    It was interesting hearing the ideas, Marama impressed me.

    • Ngungukai 2.1

      Only promote Free Speech when they are preaching their story. As soon as they hear a differing story they scream Racism like Seymore and Winston Peters, pot calling the kettle black IMHO???

  3. The Chairman 3

    Why no TPM representative?

  4. Ngungukai 4

    Why didn’t Seymore and Costello front up seeing as their parties ACT and NZF are so vehemently anti Maori???

  5. AB 5

    I watched. There was a lot of description of the problem, and a little bit of diagnosis of the origins of the problem, but nothing much about solutions to the problem.

    A good diagnosis of the origins of the backlash Maori are now facing would have helped. Maybe they could have broken it down into three simple dimensions that could each have been discussed in turn:

    • the fundamental opposition of domestic and global investment capital to any idea that there is such a thing as indigenous interest in, or rights to, natural resources
    • that when people are economically precarious they are susceptible to Farage-like manipulation, which works by claiming that some other group (i.e. Maori) are being given advantages that they are not
    • the trauma felt by some non-Maori that their understanding of the world and of history, even their very identity, is being dismantled before their eyes by a resurgent Maori presence and assertiveness. These are the people who complain about 'Maorification'.
    • and that the backlash that arises from all these dimensions can be readily justified by a rhetoric of 'equal citizens', or 'equal treatment' or 'equality before the law' – each of which disguises its true nature
    • greywarshark 5.1

      Thanks AB your comment is as usual useful for good info.

    • greywarshark 5.2

      Referring to three dimensions reminds me of something I read about Plato's philosophy and analysis. Might be useful to keep in mind when deciding basics and criteria of concerns.

      • Productive (Workers) – the labourers, carpenters, plumbers, masons, merchants, farmers, ranchers, etc. These correspond to the "appetite" part of the soul.
      • Protective (Warriors or Guardians) – those who are adventurous, strong and brave; in the armed forces. These correspond to the "spirit" part of the soul.
      • Governing (Rulers or Philosopher Kings) – those who are intelligent, rational, self-controlled, in love with wisdom, well suited to make decisions for the community. These correspond to the "reason" part of the soul and are very few.
      • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato#Politics
    • covid is pa 5.3

      The first solution to the problem is to vote the COC out, the second solution is to prioritize the most important issues impacting on most NZers, like the costs of living, creating sustainable decent paying jobs, housing etc

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