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Open Mike 01/08/25

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  1. Todays Posts 1

    Today's Posts (updated through the day):

  2. Tony Veitch 2

    There’s nothing intrinsically wrong with being rich.

    But being rich and using your wealth to influence and corrupt politics and politicians to get what will make your even richer (and by inference impoverish others) is not right.

    According to Thom Hartmann, Zelenskyy instituted an anti-oligarch regime in the Ukraine – and it’s something I think we should follow in New Zealand.

    The definition of an oligarch in the Ukraine from about 2.30 minutes. Just over 9 minutes long.

  3. Michael Scott 3

    Independent report just released on the Impacts of GHG Emissions on the US Climate.

    The researchers report no increased frequency of extreme weather events and no sea level rise beyond the historical average rate to date.

    Does any qualified body do this research for NZ?

    https://www.energy.gov/sites/default/files/2025-07/DOE_Critical_Review_of_Impacts_of_GHG_Emissions_on_the_US_Climate_July_2025.pdf

  4. Drowsy M. Kram 4

    Wrecking our environment and society will continue – make next year the CoC’s last.

    This is what NAct MPs valuing Kiwi workers looks like:

    New documents show how ministers pushed through controversial pay equity changes [1 Aug 2025]
    Any limits on workers’ human rights are justified to reduce risks to employers, Workplace Relations Minister Brooke van Velden said, as she secured senior ministers’ support for controversial changes tightening the criteria for pay equity claims.

    https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2025/07/more-misogyny-from-national.html

    This is what CoC 'transparency' looks like:

    David Seymour withheld school lunch criticism, but shared the praise
    [1 Aug 2025]
    Of the 48 emails released, 39 expressed strong disappointment and concern about the programme, with most focused on the quality of food.

    Students, teachers, principals, parents and grandparents, National Party MPs and even a couple of ACT Party voters, said the lunches were “appalling”, “culinary abominations”, “disgusting” and “like cat food”, and urged Seymour to “hold Compass to account” and revert to the previous school lunch model.

    This is what 100% pure NZ looks like:

    Simon Watts’ climate and fossil fuel hats sit uncomfortably [1 August 2025]
    Comment: Sometime between 1pm and 3pm on Thursday, Climate and Energy Minister Simon Watts was replaced with an identical body double.

    The real Watts (we assume) arrived at the British High Commission at 12.30pm to celebrate the signing of a new deal with the United Kingdom to establish a US$100 million fund to help Pacific Island nations transition away from fossil fuel power to solar and other renewables.

    Mere hours later, the other Watts stood up in Parliament to spearhead the final passage of the Government’s legislation to restart offshore oil and gas exploration – specifically citing the importance of burning fossil fuels for electricity in New Zealand.

    The discordance was jarring.

  5. Dennis Frank 5

    Rage against the machine, plus NatGPT mode:

    When Luxon finds himself stuck or short-circuiting into NatGPT mode, ministers will often try to dig him out with a friendly question. Winston Peters took the first crack: “Could the prime minister name just one thing the local MP in Auckland Central is doing about homelessness?” Government MPs giggled, and Swarbrick’s rage grew. Her head almost looked like it was vibrating. Before Luxon had a chance to respond, she jumped to her feet in indignation and sought leave of the house to answer the question. Multiple National MPs objected, and speaker Gerry Brownlee dropped it.

    https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/31-07-2025/echo-chamber-the-interminable-rage-of-chloe-swarbrick

    Passion is a great motivator but it's a bit like wildfire. Stay in the arena too long and it may encircle you, so best to make judicious use of time out to recuperate. I see the Spinoff commentariat are solid behind her though. Homelessness is a product of neoliberalism, so as long as Labour remains in collusion with National there's no reason to expect change. Jobs are the traditional remedy, and everyone seems slow to realise that neoliberalism is replacing people with tech by design, to reduce jobs.

    • Muttonbird 5.1

      Nice try blaming the rise in homelessness on Labour.

      The coalition's position is to palm off homelessness, addiction, and mental health problems back to already vulnerable families and the community at the same time as removing police and mental health support from the same.

      Then they misinform, distract, and gaslight the country.

      It's beyond evil, but Labour, eh.

      • Dennis Frank 5.1.1

        Relativity between them depends on whether difference is more evident than collusion. Labour doesn't want to spend the money on homeless shelters just as much as National, right? I agree they do sanctimony better but so what? I get that they think homeless people will trash them due to mass experience with council flats through the decades of 20th century, so deem it a waste of money.

        • Muttonbird 5.1.1.1

          Labour did spend money on homeless shelters, they were called emergency motels. Not a permanent solution but don't pretend they didn't do it.

          • Dennis Frank 5.1.1.1.1

            Yeah, fair enough. I agree it was an attempt at practical socialism (even if nobody in Labour was honest enough to tell the media that).

    • Drowsy M. Kram 5.2

      Echo Chamber: The interminable rage of Chlöe Swarbrick
      [The Spinoff, 31 July 2025]
      Luxon dismissed her concern. “I reject outright the characterisation of that question.

      Across the room, on the verge of pulling out her hair, Swarbrick harrumphed: “You don’t care.

      Why would he – the obstacles 'everyday Kiwis' face aren't Luxon's 'area'. Once devil-may-care Lux has his (en)title(ments) sorted, he'll be outta there – back to business.

      Christopher Luxon says he doesn't care 'what is on the freakin PPE' after Waka Kotahi bought new hi-viz jackets for him [20 Feb 2024]
      "Ha ha ha, well I gotta tell you, Mel, I get in and out of cars all the time and whack on any PPE, I don't care what's on on the freakin PPE, what I'm interested in is actually is the project getting done," Luxon replied.

      "In and out of cars all the time" – whackin' Legend!

      "We're not here to manage the status quo. We do not care about the pundits and commentators and what people say out there." [19 May 2024]

      'I don't care': Fired-up Luxon defends boot camps for youth offenders
      [24 June 2024]

      Luxon, Reti now don’t care about '14 layers’ of Health NZ management
      [30 July 2024]
      Whoop-de-doo. It’s a big problem, it’s a bloated mess. So no disrespect, but I’ve looked at the list,” Luxon said, on Tuesday morning.

      You can debate whether it’s 12, 13, 14, 15, I don’t really care.

      "Don't know, don't care" [21 Aug 2024]

      Yeah, I don't care. Ah, it's actually, you know, we make no apologise for being tough on gang members.

      And I think people, you know, they want us to try, right? They want a government to show up and actually try and actually do things differently. And I appreciate, you know, I get pushed back on a lot of things that people can ah disagree with me, but I do not care. We are here to do the mission, which is to actually turn the country around. And, um, the only regret Mike is, I say to my team from day one, is the only regret we'll ever have when this comes to an end, one way or another… [17 Sept 2024]

    • Drowsy M. Kram 5.3

      Poll: Just over half think PM Luxon out of touch with voters [15 Oct 2024]
      Labour children and youth spokesperson Willow-Jean Prime said she and other New Zealanders were "concerned" when serious questions are put to him and his answers are simply 'I don't care'.

      I do not care’: Christopher Luxon responds to concerns about prisoner voting ban [30 April 2025]

      The courts say it isn't justified – are you trampling on human rights there?
      I do not care about, what, what anyone else says about it. [4 May 2025]

      Ridge: How many times do you have to underline something before they [judges] actually pay attention?

      Luxon: Well I don't care, we're restoring law and order… [30 June 2025]

      “I’ve had people say to me, ‘Oh, well, what’s the evidence for putting a tougher sentence on them?I don’t really care. – [30 June 2025]

  6. Reality 6

    Since early this week I have not been able to enjoy various contributions which I would scroll down to read on the right hand side of Open Mike. These contributions have disappeared and I would really like to get them back but am at a loss on how to do that. Can a clever someone help please? Many thanks.

  7. SPC 7

    The government has chosen to take action against gangs by "banning the display of patches" in public places. This is a public order policy, rather than an action against crime.

    If it was taking action against crime … it would have banned "foreign based gangs" as criminal organisations. And thus made association with them a crime here.

    Instead there is a proliferation of connections between foreign gangs and local ones. And an increased inflow of drugs.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/nzs-dangerous-underworld-gangs-drugs-and-a-lot-of-money-the-front-page/5HZQI32KGNFR5OC4AID7WBB6DA/

  8. Muttonbird 8

    Reckless.

    After destroying NZ's relationship with the Cook Islands, Winston Peters has now allowed a MAGA official to set up a defect spy office in Wellington and provided a platform for him to goad and trash-talk our largest trading partner.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/568635/china-hits-back-at-fbi-director-s-groundless-assertions-in-wellington

    And for that our exporters now face 15% tariffs to our third largest trading partner.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/568698/new-zealand-hit-with-15-percent-trump-trade-tariff

    Worst Foreign Minister ever.

    • aj 8.1

      We would be naive to think there were not CIA officials in the US embassy in this country. Nor, FBI linked personnel as well. That's pretty normal for embassies in general around the world. This story is performative to the AUKUS relationship, and a signal to China as the FBI head noted in his speech. Politics, not crime.

      • SPC 8.1.1

        It's indicative of capacity building (international crime, threats to modern infrastructure and enhancement of "governance").

        The carving out of a regional time capacity here, separate from Oz, indicates an interest in the Pacific (such as money flows, fishing fleets) and also wanting a closer connection to our local domestic agencies.

        It's related to the convergence between surveillance data in matters of both security and crime that Palantir represents (GSCB/NSA SIS/CIA and Crown police/FBI), the all seeing eye and predicative algorithms – pattern analysis. And from there to the concept of AUKUS Pillar 2 (they need a proper name because it has nothing to do with a sub deal between Oz, UK and USA).

        It is part of the American effort at an imperial binding (in part by fear of consequences – threat of tariff punishment)(and part by offering being part of the team).

        • Stephen D 8.1.1.1

          Pablo on the case.

          https://www.kiwipolitico.com/2025/08/kash-patel-comes-to-town/

          “Regardless of the US spin so slavishly reported in NZ, opening a dedicated LEGAT office in Wellington is not about countering the PRC or bolstering 5 Eyes. It is about strengthening bilateral crime-fighting capabilities between the US and NZ in the Southwest Pacific. And if there is anyone other than criminals caught red-handed who have the most to fear from this bolstering of inter-agency relations, it is those in the Southwest Pacific and NZ who may have extradition warrants issued by the US for their arrest, since Legal Attaches are the main vehicle for executing them in any given country.

          Kim Dotcom, are you paying attention?

          [I’ve removed the extraneous comment link – Incognito]

    • Stuff seems to have some weird idea that the exporters pay the Trump Tax. Tariffs are paid by the importer. Paid in the USA in USA dollars. To the USA Treasury. Passed on (mostly) to USA customers.

      https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/360777940/nz-exporters-slapped-15-us-tariff

    • Anne 8.3

      My antennae tells me this FBI announcement is US bully boy politicking. We’ve been down that road before.

      As for the new tarrifs. How long will it last before it gets changed again?

      Insane stuff! Peters is all bark and no bite.

    • Ad 8.4

      Our gangs are now operating on such a transnational scale and across all parts of the South Pacific islands that it is no surprise that the FBI would want to set up here.

      The growth of transnational gangs here under both National and Labour into over 10,000 members is well worth the notice of the FBI to set up shop here and coordinate and assist.

      It's sure a real pity it had to happen, but our NZPolice and Customs are clearly failing on our own.

      • bwaghorn 8.4.1

        FBI to set up shop here and coordinate and assist

        Because American assistance has helped south America and the Middle East?!!

        • Ad 8.4.1.1

          We are losing both the meth and the gang war, no shame in getting massively funded help.

  9. Ad 9

    So now that the United States has imposed a 15% tariff on New Zealand goods, compared to the 10% tariff for Australian goods, the Minister for Trade is right now seeking urgent advice from Treasury about what kind of economic impact this will have on New Zealand.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/568698/nz-hit-with-15-percent-trump-trade-tariff-trade-minister-says-he-will-push-back

    I am very, very surprised that Treasury and MBIE didn't already have advice ready to go for August 1 given that that this was a very well forecast deadline and it was very clear deals were being set according to trade deficits.

    Finally this Prime Minister has a crisis of the scale that Ardern dealt with at least every year of her role.

    What exactly has Luxon got in him to really lead New Zealand through a big economic shock?

    • SPC 9.1

      It's because we have a trade surplus and Oz has a trade deficit.

      McClay is apparently going to tell them we may not have a surplus in those years when we buy big on transport planes (Air NZ and government).

  10. SPC 10

    New Zealand could easily leverage, not supporting a Palestinian state, to get the tariff back to 10%.

    France, UK and Canada have paved the way here.

    Whether we should is another matter.

    40 members of the House of Lords, say recognition of a state is based on criteria being met, namely, defined territory, a permanent population, an effective government & the capacity to enter into relations with other states as set out in the Montevideo Convention .. now part of customary law.

    They state it would be "unwise to depart from it (customary law) at a time when international law is seen as fragile or, indeed, at any time." Thus claiming that by occupying territory awarded for a Palestinian state, Israel can veto it, at least while protected by the USA in the UNSC.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c2lkp8rlenxt?post=asset%3A434fb073-81de-481b-b14f-74b50acb010a#post

    Thus they assert the supremacy of power, those above the law can use it to deny justice to others.

    We can note the unfairness in this.

    Then act, by advocating for a new Road Map to manage that problem.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/568669/what-would-new-zealand-recognising-palestinian-statehood-mean

    The desired outcome, 10% tariffs and constructive action in Gaza and the West Bank (and a new government in Israel – the ethnarch must go).

    • SPC 10.1

      Once this whole bully the world into a post WTO regime of bi-lateral trade arrangements with the USA (which include tariffs as fines by Trump for disagreeing with him).

      Then it would be time to form an International Trade Organisation.

      A trade organisation that is a reboot of the WTO, sans USA (just as WHO and UNESCO survive without the USA, why should not a world trade organisation)?

      A core principle of the WTO is most-favored-nation (MFN) treatment, meaning countries generally cannot discriminate between their trading partners. Trump's USA is in breach.

      Of course the members of the ITO would need to organise a new administrative arrangement for the disputes process (with the end of the "special nations" involvement as per WTO).

      The rest of the world still has common cause, trade with each other by a rules based process.

    • SPC 10.2

      The world is moving toward finding a (new roadmap) pathway.

      https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360778181/hamas-could-be-forced-exile-arab-states

  11. Hunter Thompson II 11

    According to media reports:

    * an Auckland cafe business owed IRD $640,000 when it went under, and

    * a Timaru building company in liquidation owes IRD $900,000 plus: .

    How did the debts build up to that level? What are the tax inspectors doing?