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Open Mike 30/05/2026

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  1. PsyclingLeft.Always 1

    Coal customer collapse. Not so good for Bathurst. But good indeed for our Planets environment ! : )

    Lack of customers forces Bathurst to pause Rotowaro coal mine expansion plans

    Plans for a fast-tracked mine expansion in Waikato have paused, because the mine's owners do not know if they can sell the coal.

    The mine's main customer, NZ Steel, is set to drastically cut coal usage at its Glenbrook Steel Mill when a new electric arc furnace replaces two of its four coal-fired kilns later this year.

    An anti-mining group said the lack of buyers shows that New Zealand can successfully move away from fossil fuels if industries get help to switch to alternatives.

    It was now time for Bathurst to "give up and go home", Coal Action Network Aotearoa spokesperson Cindy Baxter said.

    "We don't need any new coal mines in this country."

    And apart from Bathurst, I note dubious company Talleys involvement….

    Rotowaro is the second-largest opencast coal mine in New Zealand and is operated by BT Mining, jointly owned by Bathurst and Talley's Energy.

    Keep the coal in the hole….and a Just Transition.

    Local climate justice group Ngā Haumi also welcomed the news the mine expansion might not go ahead.

    Spokesperson Hannah Huggan (Te Aitanga-a-Māhaki) said BT Mining "should do the right thing and rule out going through fast-track",

    "But stopping the mine is only one part of that story – we need governments to step up and deliver a just transition for workers."

    Current climate policies were "inconsistent and incoherent", she said.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/596542/lack-of-customers-forces-bathurst-to-pause-rotowaro-coal-mine-expansion-plans

    In 2016, Talley's invested in a 35% share of Wellington-based Bathurst Resources' Stockton mine on the West Coast, as well as the Rotowaro and Maramarua mines in the Waikato. Talley’s is now the largest New Zealand investor in coal mining.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talley%27s_Group#Environmental_impact

  2. weka 2

    Just realised we should stop calling it AI, intelligence is the wrong word and concept. Large Language Model/LLM instead. Or Machine Simulators or something. The term AI has been around for a long time, but the geeks are getting ahead of themselves.

    The Pope is making exactly our point. LLMs “may imitate or even simulate, but they do not understand.”

    This is the core epistemic fault line.

    Most AI evaluation is still based on one assumption: if a system statistically approximates human behaviour, then it is close to human intelligence.

    But approximation is not intelligence. Simulation is not understanding.

    LLMs can produce the right answer without knowing why it is right. They can simulate empathy without feeling. They can imitate judgment without responsibility. They can generate coherent explanations without having a world to which those explanations are accountable.

    Stop confusing behavioural similarity with cognitive equivalence.

    Human understanding is embodied, affective, relational, motivational, and normative. It is not just the production of plausible text.

    * Full paper in the first reply

    https://x.com/ValerioCapraro/status/2060362101227504072

    • greywarshark 2.2

      This from above is a very revealing paragraph about our actual present thinking in many quarters (halves?).

      LLMs can produce the right answer without knowing why it is right.

      They can simulate empathy without feeling. They can imitate judgment without responsibility.

      They can generate coherent explanations without having a world to which those explanations are accountable.

      This seems to epitomise our present governments! These people have since childhood engineered their mindset and cultural learnings (or lack of them); or is it vice versa? That is the question! But it is observable and unlikely to change much unless there is a very destructive event forcing change.

      Or can a new wave of sentiment and practical practice gather, and spread out in a positive way, very much needed in the known western culture, but also in world responses, knowing that we tend to be driven by atavistic or inherent genes? leading us to become a special species of animal, incoherent in our thoughts and drives, and long-lived so the good is vulnerable to being overwhelmed by our negative outcomes which can be devastating.

    • tc 2.3

      AI stands for Algorithm Industry in my view.

      It's how I help to keep perspective as the snake oil routines around LLM's would have you believe any old crap as they pimp it along with their wealth in the process.

      This could make the dot.com crash look like a picnic as the sharks are all cashed up.

      • greywarshark 2.3.1

        I noticed an interesting input on AI on RNZ and thought it worth noting. I have put the link on OM 30/5/26 in a spirit of being aware of developments which we can only watch.

    • KJT 2.4

      AI, despite all the hype designed to inflate share prices, is just an extremely sophisticated version of search engines.

      Google, but with more computing power and inputs to use.

      It's accuracy, like any search engine, depends on where some human decides it should look.

  3. gsays 3

    The Treasury Trap is a concept that descibes why Aotearoa is suh a resource rich country and yet feels structurally weak.

    What our institutions are focussed on decides the nature and strength of our productive capacity.

    "What is an economy actually for?

    Asset inflation?
    Or civilisation-building?"

    https://thedailyblog.co.nz/guest-blog-tadhg-stopford-new-zealand-did-not-accidentally-become-a-fragile-country/

  4. Drowsy M. Kram 4

    Nicky-No-Boats has identified two broad classes of NZer – Kiwis who have "won the Lotto", and sorted Lotto winners. Willis would have you believe that everyone's a winner, baby. Not since "DVDs and Tip Top" has she been this 'relatable' – it's a real eye-opener.

    "Executed by A.I." – gerrit? Move-ON!

    • PsyclingLeft.Always 4.1

      DMK…. My first memory for me, of Nicola, will always be the icecream and dvd. I wondered wtaf is this shite from the Minister of Finance ? And soon enough… all was revealed.

      Ah well, soon enough to be relegated to those Finance Ministers.

      November : a fresh Future a'coming for NZ : )

  5. Macro 5

    In our town – our food bank has had to up the number of food parcels a week over the past year by around 100% ie double what they have been issuing in the previous year. I gather that this is typical across the around 500 Food Banks around NZ.

    In the Budget we were able to garner only one specific foodbank support of $7 million for a year.

    So: 500 food banks around New Zealand (Google info);

    divide into $7m = $14,000 per unit

    = $270 per week;

    Whoopee!

    What sort of mean spiritedness can honestly think that this is providing assurance to the most vulnerable.

    • Drowsy M. Kram 5.1

      What sort of mean spiritedness can honestly think that this is providing assurance to the most vulnerable.

      I wonder if lucky Lotto lady Nicky-No-Boats 'feels' that Kiwis who ‘choose’ Food Banks have also "won the Lotto" – honestly, at times Willis comes across as artless/heartless.

      Still, it's 'tough love', and the CoC's Finance Minister is making sacrifices too – Move-On!

      https://vote.nz/

      • Incognito 5.1.1

        I reckon that Nicola Willis’ hair cost more than 20 pāua pies.

        • Drowsy M. Kram 5.1.1.1

          Reckon each nail could cost up to one pāua pie (including labour) – but the colour!

          • greywarshark 5.1.1.1.1

            Of course others will have noted that Labour's Hipkins eating a pie, or sausage rolls being included as good fare, is being copied. Nicola Will not be outdone by this lower class populist attention-grabbing. She shall not be outdone be Labour – anything they can do she can do better. My favourite example and activator might bring a smile to a jaded mind. (It's from Annie Get Your Gun, but that was from a more free-wheeling time, not right for now).

  6. Incognito 6

    Nicola Willis didn’t quite hit the mark with S&P Global Ratings and not all prominent NZ economists are convinced either by her Budget, which is not surprising given the rabbits and dead rats that she pulled out of her head hat.

    “While we forecast real GDP growth will pick up to about 2% over 2026, downside risks could see the country’s wealth gap and fiscal deficits widen compared with other advanced, highly rated sovereigns. If sustained, this could exert downward pressure on the sovereign rating.”

    BNZ head of research Stephen Toplis believed the Budget should have appeased credit rating agencies.

    “The big question is whether the economic forecasts on which this analysis is based, and the ensuing fiscal forecasts are credible? And, will they survive the next election,” he said.

    Indeed, Toplis believed there was a clear risk Treasury’s outlook was too rosy. [my bold]

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/economy/budget-2026-sp-global-ratings-underwhelmed-by-governments-efforts-to-return-the-books-to-surplus-economists-wary-of-treasurys-rosy-forecasts/premium/BR6PCXXF5FBD7C3QNEFSVYVRUI/

  7. Incognito 7

    Sam Mahon

    Lynda Topp

    Many cartoonists and satirists (special mention of Steve Braunias)

    And many others

    Kia kaha!

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/life/culture/five-times-kiwi-creatives-called-out-the-government

  8. Incognito 8

    As expected, Nicola Willis’ Buget-2026 speech was a textbook example of political framing and followed the familiar pattern mentioned here: https://thestandard.nz/open-mike-28-05-2026/#comment-2063354.

    The narrative is one of manufacturing or exaggerating a crisis – not necessarily the crisis that ordinary New Zealanders are experiencing – and pushing the Coalition and herself forward as the only responsible leaders to secure NZ’s future via more cutting jobs & austerity. Fact: it’s not the government’s books & debt that’s holding back this nation, it’s the narrative.

    The speech lacks an innovation strategy and only implies a lift in productivity after economic recovery, i.e., after BAU has been restored – it ignores many high-quality reviews, reports, and commentary that innovation drives the economic engine into growth and, of course, there’s no money allocated into those areas of innovation. In short, it’s a jumbled mess of fear-mongering & boogeymen to feed our minds with neoliberal garbage.

    The first thing that Labour may want to do is to reject this narrative and create its own and different one. Only then, different ways & approaches will make sense.

  9. Tony Veitch 9

    Thom Hartman outlines the way the neoliberal lie was sold to the American people – fully applicable to New Zealand.

    8 minutes long.

    https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?hl=en#inbox?projector=1

  10. Stephen D 10

    Electricity and transport.

    Even Hungary gets it.

    ”He said €1.5bn would go towards developing Hungary's electricity grid, with a focus on solar panels and wind farms, while another €2bn would be spent on new intercity trains.”

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce8plenyk6no

  11. adam 11

    BOOM BOOM BOOM.

    Russia hits Romania

    The IDF raping children on the west bank

    Isreal being scum war criminals in Lebanon – when are they not these days…

    Closer to home, Fiji welcomes warmongers

    So the real question is – when will the war worshiping, fundamentalist PM of ours will send our kids off to die for these imperialist pricks?

  12. Drowsy M. Kram 12

    https://vote.nz/

    His [Theo Spierings'] departure was speculated on by Australian media in 2016 with a suggestion that then Air New Zealand chief executive Christopher Luxon would replace him.
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/531488/former-fonterra-chief-executive-theo-spierings-dies

    What I would say to you is that it's awful being CEO of New Zealand Aotearoa – the pay’s a pittance for a start. I'm beginning to wish I'd gone with that Fonterra gig.

    Echo Chamber: Christopher Luxon and the disappearing documents
    [The Spinoff, 28 May 2026]
    We’ve all misplaced something at work. But if your office is a ministerial one, you might expect a bit more urgency in finding out where it went.

    Swarbrick called for an independent urgent inquiry into the matter. “If he [Luxon] wants to tell us all that he has clean hands, then he has the most vested interest in backing this inquiry,” Swarbrick told the House. “If you’ve got nothing to hide, then let’s put it all out in the open.

    • joe90 13.1

      "We cannot and will not allow any cases of Ebola to enter the United States,"

      Marco ​Rubio

      But we're going to bring ebola to Kenya.

      /

      A Kenyan court has suspended US plans to open an Ebola quarantine facility for American citizens in the country that has sparked public concern about cross-border infection risks.

      […]

      The Kenya Medical Practitioners, Pharmacists and Dentists Union (KMPDU) questioned why Kenya was allegedly selected to host a quarantine facility for exposed US citizens, despite not being at the epicentre of the outbreak.

      Kenya, East Africa's largest economy, had not recorded any Ebola cases as of Friday

      The union said it was "utterly disgusted" by what it described as the government's willingness to compromise Kenya's national biosecurity in exchange for foreign aid.

      "If it is too dangerous for America, it is too dangerous for Kenya," the union stated, referencing what it claimed was Washington's refusal to allow Ebola cases on to US soil.

      Davji Bhimji Atellah, KMPDU's secretary general, said the union "will not sit back and watch Kenya be treated as a containment colony for a lethal pathogen that we did not generate."

      https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpdp74lgzplo

  13. Drowsy M. Kram 14

    On Budget 2026 [Gordon Campbell, Scoop, 29 May 2026]
    The Luxon government won the last election by claiming that it alone possessed the managerial competence to fix the nation’s cost of living crisis. Three years later it is again patting itself on the back for refusing – in an election year!– to offer anything substantial to alleviate a cost of living crisis that has gotten measurably worse on its watch.

    In Budget 2026 there was also no discernible plan to lift the country’s dismal growth and productivity figures.

    What a moaner! Growth's green shoots are in your face – you're just not looking right.

    A ‘growth’ industry – Food banks are struggling to keep up with demand
    [one year ago to day, in Consumer]

    Still growing, for the sorted – onya CoC. Hey, lucky Lotto Nicky-No-Boats, have a marmite sarnie to get the taste of that pāua pie out of your mouth.

    West Auckland foodbank demand at highest ever levels
    [be careful RNZ, 11 May 2026]

  14. Bearded Git 15

    To Drowsy…..you are on fire today…smiley

    • Drowsy M. Kram 15.1

      Thanks. The NActF CoC really grinds my gears – they just keep getting worse!

      If there was any doubt left…
      We are being asked to believe that some of the most powerful corporations in New Zealand just happened to bypass normal correspondence channels, hand over physical documents, leave no meaningful paper trail, and then coincidentally the Prime Minister’s office has no recollection of any of it.

      Christopher Luxon may be incompetent, but he is not “announce a major law change with absolutely no documentation whatsoever” incompetent.

      Not unless his office did it on purpose.

      https://www.facebook.com/groups/aotearoanzhistory/posts/1525062715982752/

      The NActF CoC has been so bad for NZ Aotearoa. CoC 'govt' by and for the sorted is to be expected, but they haven't stopped at self-service – wilful socioeconomic and environmental wrecking is off the charts, disenfranchising voters (or 'dropkicks', according to deputy PM Seymour) being one particularly egregious example.

      Imho, it's not enough just to turf 'em out; they must be held to account, particularly barefaced liar Luxon (what a role model) and other Atlas/NAct robopath MPs.

      The shredders will be working overtime, so for NZ's sake:

      • Have an urgent inquiry into the CoC's collusion with big corporate polluters;
      • Reverse any suss legislation introduced under urgency* this term, and
      • Keep CEO Luxon's grubby paws off a knighthood – tripped up by his own greed.

      * Urgency has been (mis)used a lot this term, the latest instance being yesterday:

      New law allowing automated benefit decisions to modernise welfare system, government says [be careful RNZ, 30 May 2026]
      Labour's Helen White on Friday said the regulatory impact statement – which summarises the law's purpose, costs and benefits – redacted the section outlining the problem the bill sought to solve, "so it is very, very difficult to know what is going on here".

      Lots of good cartoons out there. I've posted this one a few times – every Kiwi knows.

  15. Bearded Git 16

    "Labour's Helen White on Friday said the regulatory impact statement – which summarises the law's purpose, costs and benefits – redacted the section outlining the problem the bill sought to solve, "so it is very, very difficult to know what is going on here"."

    That really sums up this government. They have no idea what they are doing, but they just don't care.

    Coalition of Chaos Coalition of Corruption Coalition on Cnuts

    Take your choice.

  16. greywarshark 17

    Putting one person in to check AI generated stuff is putting someone up as a sacrifice against a sure tide of manufactured stuff who will become stressed and sick. It is I think, virtue signalling just for show. AI is unstoppable and not controllable, as a whole and probably even small limits will be a drop in the bucket.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/science-and-technology/596607/like-drinking-from-a-firehose-what-it-s-like-to-be-the-human-in-the-ai-loop. May.28/26

    The government's promised overhaul of New Zealand's public service has made much of the potential of artificial intelligence (AI) to streamline operations and compensate for a radically reduced workforce.

    This is in keeping with generally utopian visions of generative AI (GenAI) tools unleashing creativity, removing mundane, repetitive work, and "freeing up humans" for more fulfilling tasks…

    But there's another side to this story as we become more aware of the downsides of GenAI tools – security risks, hallucinations, bias, a "dumbing down" of human input and lack of ethical insight.

    However, one thing that is not debated is the need for human oversight of GenAI work. For legal and reputational reasons, organisations require a "human in the loop" who is responsible for reviewing GenAI outcomes, and has the authority to overturn them.

    Easier said than done. As we discovered earlier this year when we held an industry panel discussion on GenAI for business students, being the human in the loop can be a role with great responsibility and pressure….

    Humans are expected to check and approve outputs, make decisions in ambiguous situations, provide feedback to improve the performance of GenAI tools, and offer ethical oversight and judgement.

    The main reason is that GenAI-tools cannot be held accountable for any of their outputs or decisions. GenAI tools are legally considered to be "property" not "persons" and they cannot hold rights or incur duties, meaning final accountability falls with humans….

    Humans are expected to check and approve outputs, make decisions in ambiguous situations, provide feedback to improve the performance of GenAI tools, and offer ethical oversight and judgement.

    The main reason is that GenAI-tools cannot be held accountable for any of their outputs or decisions. GenAI tools are legally considered to be "property" not "persons" and they cannot hold rights or incur duties, meaning final accountability falls with humans.

    However, exactly which humans can vary. The organisation implementing the GenAI tool is most frequently considered responsible for any of its behaviours and outputs. In other cases, especially if the tool can be shown to be faulty, the developers or tool vendors may be responsible.

    If a problem can be traced to incorrect or biased data, the provider of the data may have some responsibility.

    An unexpected negative consequence of GenAI implementation paradoxically arises from its success. Successful GenAI use means executives and managers are expecting to get things done faster with fewer people.

    Tasks that used to be done in days or weeks are expected to be done in hours. As a senior manager of a large multinational business told us: "Our goal in the next 18 months is to cut the engineering team down to a quarter of its current size and we need to find out how to leverage AI tools to achieve this."…

    When the overall volume of outputs is lifted substantially by AI tools, the human in the loop can become a major bottleneck….

    These outputs will be sent to the "content reviewers" for "sanity checks". Those reviewers are domain experts. They are expected to rectify errors, remove nonfactual hallucinated statements, improve quality and provide accountability and final endorsement.

    On one hand, a GenAI-powered "creator" can generate a plausible 50-page report in a matter of 15-30 minutes. On the other, the "reviewer" will have to spend hours reading, rectifying and rewriting to make the final report ready for the audience…

    Now the distribution is less than 20 percent required from the creator, and more than 80 percent from the reviewer. One of our panellists described this as like "drinking from a firehose"…

    There is also a personal cost. Subject-matter experts exposed to unrealistic expectations suffer from burnout, low job satisfaction and high turnover in the organisations we spoke with….

    This can become a cycle of decreasing quality, and also raises the question of where the next generation of expert reviewers will come from…

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