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Step up to the mike …
It is incredible that such bunches of charlatans, grifters and desperadoes can be just an ACT appointed committee of right wing cronies away from taking over any school they might set their sights on.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland/kelston-boys-high-school-charter-school-takeover-attempt-how-struck-off-doctor-rhys-cullen-made-a-failed-bid-to-gag-the-herald/C5VJWET7TVHWTI3TESEMAFDAHA/
Labour need to face the fact that TPM has disintegrated, so there's no route to power with TPM.
The Greens are sliding below 10% and desperately need to hold Auckland Central.
Labour's going to need about 40% to not face the 2017 situation of Peters electing government.
I sure don't want NZF with that same disproportionate power. But it's trending likely.
What are the possibilities should Winston become incapacitated for any reason before the next election, or he finally realises it's time for retirement?
Will NZF cease to exist as a party? From what is obvious, Peters IS the party, and always has been. Would the grey vote look elsewhere? Aside from Shane Jones, I struggle to think of the names of the other NZF MPs.
Aside from Sha
nme Jones, I struggle to think of the names of the other NZF MPs.The despicable fag woman Costello springs to mind.
That’s the ‘Honourable’ Costello to you – the NZ tobacco industry is on its knees 🙂
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018924455/casey-costello-under-fire-over-tobacco-tax-freeze-proposal
Are they?
Why are you inferring they have a 5% problem?
Greens are declining towards 10% and NZF is rising towards 10%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_New_Zealand_general_election#/media/File:Graph_of_opinion_polls_by_party
Given you prefer a Labour-NZF coalition,
what is your point?
Real-politic is that NZF will not support a Labour-Green coalition and have another option and the Green Party does not.
My concern is that NZF is rising at the expense of NACT rather than the votes going to Labour, ruling out a Labour-Green coalition.
This makes a Labour-Green coalition dependent on TPM – so we know how the election campaign will go.
A guess would be strategic advice for a centrist drift by Labour towards NZF would have them compete for votes and drive Labour left votes to the Green Party.
And if Labour runs on a centrist platform, they are more NZF partner ready than the Green Party and also have less of a mandate for a coalition with the Green Party.
Keeping NZF below 10% and Green Party above 10% would be the outcome (unless National collapsed (as they did in 2020 and 2002 – but with votes to NZF rather than Labour to prevent the first Labour-Green coalition government).
A strategy for winning and running a centrist government.
+100 SPC.
A good election result would be Labour 36% Green 12% and TPM winning all or most of the Maori seats.
That would give the Left a workable majority.
(though personally I would prefer Lab 33 Gre 15 which is also possible)
A Labour-Green coalition with confidence and supply from either TPM or NZF (the Key way).
Of course NZF would them be amenable to a three way with the Labour and Green parties.
If they can go with the reprehensible ACT, why not Green?
It is not the NZF Party of old….they have moved way to the right over the last few years….especially "drill baby drill" deputy leader Shane Jones.
For instance NZF will stop the CGT happening. That is NZF long-term policy.
I think you’re over-reading the party churn as a bloc shift. The last year ish of polling has been mostly reallocation inside blocs, not the country moving decisively one way or the other. Left and right totals have stayed pretty close overall.
The one clear directional change has been a slow leak from National/ACT to Labour, not just intra-bloc cannibalism. Across 2025 you keep seeing the same pattern: National softens, Labour ticks up, and the Greens and NZF mostly hold steady. That’s exactly the kind of early trend you’d rather have on your side this far out from an election.
On NZF: sure, Labour hasn’t formally ruled them out (and probably won’t), but there are multiple pathways that don’t require NZF if Labour keeps regaining soft Nat/ACT voters and the Greens hold. Recent bloc math shows plenty of scenarios where the centre-left can get there without Peters
And the minor-party trend matters here: ~10% looks like a floor for the Greens across 2025 polling, whereas NZF’s support has been spiky but basically capped in the high single digits most of the time: more ceiling than launchpad.
So yeah: blocs broadly static, but the internal flow is good for Labour, coalition support looks soft, and NZF’s kingmaker path is narrower than 2017 unless the right bloc collapses outright.
That NAct1 is foolish is a given, fuelish even.
You only have to look at the mega money Nact1 have planned for a completely wrong RONS….they just dont see any Climate Problem..at all.
NZ a Leader no longer…
Nact1's Climate Minister Simon Watts always strikes me as someone on a different plane…Planet, even.
National and ACT MP's take the top 10 places in terms of value of property owned by MP's.
"The MP property rich list is dominated by National MPs.
In the 11th spot, Winston Peters breaks the National/ACT stranglehold and then Willie Jackson makes an appearance for Labour at 17th.
There are no Green or Te Pāti Māori MPs in the top 20…"
That is just property of course. Who knows what other assets they have.
Paywalled:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/mp-property-rich-list-our-mps-have-stakes-in-a-combined-379-million-of-property-who-owns-the-most/premium/3OPBBKE4M5HUJJY7NWZJTQ3TUU/
Not just the men.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360894702/verity-johnson-tory-whanau-isnt-leaving-she-was-hounded-out
It was a right wing beat-up and the women piled in – Nicola Young here claims the Mayor has addiction issues, has personal issues, is in breach of her code of conduct and should resign. She wants another councillor to be removed from a committee because she was not capable of working with the new right wing government.
She finishes by saying there was no quick fix for alcoholism.
Sean Plunkett claimed it was a crisis and any other Mayor or politician would resign.
Diane Calvert calls for an intervention to remove the Mayor and restore Wellington's relationship with the region and the government.
She claims the majority of councillors supported that (Young, Chung Randle – the right wing 4) – also that the council has internal struggles etc.
They wanted a right-wing takeover, they got Little and a Labour-Green majority returned.
Ridiculously she ran for Mayor claiming to be a centrist.
It surprises me that the green party here in NZ has not found a place for Tory.
I can't work out if this is sarcasm or for real. As a Wgtn resident I'm hopeful it is sarcasm.
She is going to Melbourne and that is a good place for her to be. She was hopeless as a Mayor.
You are brave saying "She was hopeless as a mayor" on this website!
When I said something similar back in Nov last year, Muttonbird insisted I was picking on her as she was a woman of colour!
And Lprent agreed with Muttonbird’s assessment: https://thestandard.nz/open-mike-07-11-2024/#comment-2016329.
You’re still shit-commenting way too often and you need to lift your game.