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Open Mike 04/11/25

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43 comments on “Open Mike 04/11/25 ”

  1. Bryce Edwards gives a well researched account of what is behind the Maori Party meltdown.

    https://theintegrityinstitute.substack.com/p/integrity-briefing-the-emptiness

  2. Drowsy M. Kram 2

    Tova O’Brien explores what’s behind the looming closure of a mental health service.

    Putting lives at risk’ – mental health service facing closure after government funding dries up [Careful Stuff, 4 Nov 2025]
    Mental Health Minister Matt Doocey was so proud to support depression recovery centre, Whakamātūtū, he posted on Facebook about the “privilege” of speaking at its opening last February.

    Fast forward not even two years and Doocey is washing his hands of the service provider as it faces closure due to a lack of government funding.

    Luxon said he wanted to avoid getting to the end of his time in office and regret that "we didn't go fast enough and we weren't bold enough".
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/top/532729/pm-christopher-luxon-admits-he-needs-to-work-harder-on-corporate-speak-after-customers-reference

    Allowing corporates to operate primary health organisations is a better fit with Govt ideology than not-for-profits.
    https://community.scoop.co.nz/2025/10/corporate-ownership-of-general-practices-extends-power-into-primary-care-organisations/

  3. aj 3

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2019011180/parts-of-transmission-gully-in-need-of-resurfacing

    So according to NZTA the builder of Transmission Gully did not apply the final coat of chipseal. Consequently 6km of the road base needs repair and 18km of road needs that final waterproofing cover of chipseal. $32m.

    Was the builder paid for something that didn't happen. Why didn't it happen if it was a part of the total build. What a clusterf**k.

    • Cricklewood 3.1

      It was a fairly open secret that the contractor was given an instruction to proceed with sealing even though issues were flagged with the suitability of the base which was under specd.

      That was at least in part a political descision to meet road opening dates and to make the budget look better.

      • aj 3.1.1

        NZTA guy put the base breaking up to the lack of the final chip seal. If you are correct then this sounds like buck passing

  4. weka 4

    just trying to catch up on what's happening with TPM. Anyone got any good write ups from Māori? Journalists or bloggers/substackers etc/

  5. Obtrectator 6

    Farewell to a master film-maker who fearlessly told it like it was, and sometimes paid the penalty of speaking too much truth to power:

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2025/nov/03/peter-watkins-film-making-revolutionary-war-game-culloden-punishment-park

    I’ve seen all the films mentioned in the URL. Everyone should.

    • I Feel Love 6.1

      I got to see Culloden at school, such a clever documentary! It's on YouTube well worth seeing. Punishment Park is brutal. Peter Watkins was a true & unflinching artist.

  6. Sanctuary 7

    If you want evidence that the MSM is now a busted flush in political influence, if you don't have TikTok install it and spend an hour or two scrolling through the content of Zohran Mamdani. It is worth remembering that until he started trending on social media in his run for the Democratic nomination he was polling at 1%. He is now the nominated front runner with a commanding lead to win the mayoralty of New York City. He has achieved this entirely off the back of a social media campaign (particularly on TikTok, no wonder Larry Ellison can't wait to get hold of it and turn it into an engine of far right propaganda) and in the teeth of a near universal Greek Chorus of centrist and right wing shroud waving in all the major "mainstream" and traditional broadcast and print platforms. The Democratic establishment hates him and can barely bring themselves to endorse him let alone campaign for him.

    Of course, it helps that Mamdani is hugely charismatic. But style is always downstream of substance, and unless you have an agenda and message that is directly relevant to peoples lives a viral social media campaign isn't going to work.

    I think that rather than timidly drawing on the exhausted and vacuous centrism of Starmer's Blue Labour parties like NZ Labour really ought to be embracing the populism of Mamdani, or they will, eventually, be left behind by the millennials and consigned to political oblivion.

    • Karolyn_IS 7.1

      RNZ published an ABC article on Mamdani this morning. It includes some criticism of the, it all sounds inspiring and hopeful but it won't work, kind. But it does seem to me that there may be a truly left wing change developing.

      It ends,

      "People are all saying that Zohran is too young, we don't need that. I think this is a wonderful time for new energy, new hopes, new dream," he says.

      "Young people can be considered a little bit radical but you need that at a time like this and at a time like this I will take a mayor with less experience and more integrity than less integrity and more experience."

      That integrity is why he sees Mamdani as a leader for change and believes Democrats should throw support behind him, despite his inexperience.

      "When people are knocking on the doors of a church because they don't have food … in the wealthiest city in the wealthiest country there's literally not enough food," Moore says.

      "Because of political games people's lives are at stake. This is not the time to play it safe. This is the time to step out, cry out, spare not and dream big."

    • joe90 7.2

      be left behind by the millennials and consigned to political oblivion.

      One can hope that the gerontocracy is on the ropes.

      Among the centrist pundit class, it’s become standard to claim that Mamdani’s campaign is not a national story, that the rise of this self-described democratic socialist is unique to the bright blue environs of New York City. But the staggering rate of volunteerism on behalf of Mamdani’s campaign is evidence that the story of his candidacy — and what it could portend for Democrats — reaches far beyond the five boroughs. And the monied set’s tantrum certainly suggests this isn’t just a local story of no great importance.

      There’s real fear that Mamdani will help inspire young people across the country to believe they have the power to dislodge the aging, out-of-touch leadership of the current Democratic Party.

      […]

      Mamdani is famous for his ear-to-ear grin and puppy dog levels of enthusiasm. But he and his campaign also understand the importance of being seen as scaring the right people. In a lot of ways, the rich centrists who are so offended by Mamdani’s existence are of great benefit to him — they caused a lot of voters to take another look at the guy who must be doing something right if he’s making a corrupted old guard so angry. That’s why ideas like free public buses and government-owned grocery stores turned out to be strokes of genius. It’s less about the policy particulars and more about how these simple ideas drew absolutely unhinged reactions from the upper echelons of financial power.

      https://www.salon.com/2025/11/03/zohran-mamdani-knows-how-to-win/

  7. Stephen D 8

    The Ministry of Education wants to take over the majority of the role of the Teachers Council.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/577703/education-minister-s-plans-for-teaching-council-a-power-grab-union-says

    "Teachers unions have slammed the government's move to shrink the Teaching Council, replace the majority of its members with ministerial appointees, and remove its role in teacher training as a "blatant power grab"."

    This government really has it in for teachers, and Māori. Over time it is a coordinated attack on two of the most vocal, and supported sectors of our soociety. The PPTA and NZEI are the two strongest unions, and Māori the most disadvantaged, but with deep pools of goodwill.

    The thinking must be, totally break these two, and we can do what we like with the rest.

    "First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

    —Martin Niemöller

    This is where we are, right now.

  8. Sanctuary 9

    For those of us who enjoy logic, the Maori Party is currently serving up a slow and succulent example of the No True Scotsman fallacy in action, it is well worth savouring if you find the Maori party to be largely a bunch insufferably self righteous chumps.

  9. John Tamihere, the President of Te Pāti Māori, has said, "There is a tikanga-based solution to every problem in the Māori world".

    This quote was part of a statement made to Radio Waatea on Monday, October 13, 2025, where Tamihere was discussing internal party issues and the party's approach to handling them based on Māori protocols and customs (tikanga), rather than through mainstream media. He emphasised that Te Pāti Māori is a tikanga-based movement guided by ancestral wisdom and that they would address matters "in our time and in our way".

    • Belladonna 10.1

      Unless 'tikanga' involves sharing your disputes with the world via the media – he's not exactly putting his money where his mouth is.

      • Visubversa 10.1.1

        "His money"? He is very good with other people's money. His Mayoral campaigns for example.

      • Michael Scott 10.1.2

        Tikanga (Māori customary practices) varies significantly from iwi (tribe) to iwi and even between different hapū (sub-tribes) and marae (community meeting places) across New Zealand.

        Tikanga is obviously very adaptable.

        • Binders full of women 10.1.2.1

          But if we call any aspect of tikanga mumbo jumbo… we get taken to the BSA 🙂

          • Incognito 10.1.2.1.1

            Nope, unless you’re a shock-jock broadcaster who lives for manufacturing outrage and flooding the zone with BS.

            Here on TS, you get a few warnings for acting as a moron, followed by a ban.

          • Michael Scott 10.1.2.1.2

            The point is often made that Te Pati Maori don't represent all Maori.

            Now – confusingly- TPM don't represent all TPM anymore

  10. bwaghorn 11

    Post other than om aren't visible in mobile setting

    • weka 11.1

      what device?

      • Belladonna 11.1.1

        I'm finding the same thing using cellphone. Samsung S25

        • weka 11.1.1.1

          is the desktop version on your phone working?

          • Belladonna 11.1.1.1.1

            Think that it is the browser version I'm using on my phone. Or at least, I haven't downloaded a mobile app for TS.

            I don't often check TS on my cellphone – but happened to do so this morning – and found most of the posts 'unopenable'

            • weka 11.1.1.1.1.1

              there's no TS app unfortunately. In a browser you get two options: desktop (which looks like what you would see on your computer), and mobile (which appears to be broken atm, it looks odd and the post content isn't visible). You can normally switch between the two, but atm I can't see a way to switch from the broken mobile version to the desktop. I will ask Lynn.

              • weka

                if anyone is stick on the mobile version and wants to switch to desktop, google how to set a website to desktop on your model of phone. Worked on my iphone.

              • Belladonna

                Yep. That worked – though it's a bit difficult to read on a cellphone screen 🙂

      • bwaghorn 11.1.2

        Samsung ph, desktop works although can't comment on desktop usually

  11. Drowsy M. Kram 12

    Measles is in the news again – let's be careful out there.

    Measles outbreak set to throw exam plans into disarray [RNZ, 4 Nov 2025]
    He [Secondary Principals Association vice-president Scott Haines] said there had been no specific guidance about exams, but Health New Zealand's advice was clear.

    "Obviously if you're infectious then that's very straightforward and easy in terms of you need to be quarantining and isolating. Likewise, if you are an unvaccinated close contact, same sort of process."

    A short history of measles in New Zealand [9 Oct 2025]
    The first recorded measles outbreak in Aotearoa New Zealand occurred in 1835 in the South Island, and the first North Island epidemic was in 1854. Both affected Māori severely, with thousands of deaths in 1854 alone.

    New Zealand’s worst measles year in the past century was 1938, with 375 deaths among both children and adults. According to F S Maclean’s history of public health in New Zealand, 10 percent of all Māori deaths that year were due to measles.

    Measles – a modern epidemic [July 2022]
    Modern measles epidemic in New Zealand and Samoa
    In 2019, New Zealand experienced its biggest measles outbreak in 30 years due to patchy national immunity, especially among young people in Māori and Pasifika communities. Low immunisation rates combined with overcrowded housing made this group of people particularly vulnerable.

    Māori might be the ‘luckiest’ Indigenous people – but that’s not down to New Zealand exceptionalism [The Guardian, 4 Feb 2022]
    Even Māori organisations outside the ministry such as the Waipereira Trust, the largest single vaccine provider in Auckland, struggled to force the government to share data in its efforts to reach unvaccinated Māori. In the end the trust CEO John Tamihere had to turn to the courts for a partial victory.

  12. Visubversa 13

    Was this in the Wellington Local Body election material?

    Removing separate toilet and changing facilities in Council buildings. No women's loos or changing rooms.

    "To be crystal clear, this is not about the introduction of third mixed-sex spaces to go alongside male and female spaces—that’s a perfectly sensible idea. This is about removing all male and female facilities and having only mixed-sex loos and changing rooms. Some consider single-occupancy fully enclosed cubicles make all the problems with mixed-sex toilets go away. They don’t, but in any case, the Rainbow Plan doesn’t specify any particular conditions for this new regime.

    This is a top down directive foisting the will of an overly empowered group of bureaucrats who are besotted with gender theory on to the masses. Mixed-sex toilets are not popular. A 2023 poll showed that only 30% of New Zealand women thought that males who identified as women should be allowed in female toilets.1 WCC is going much further and saying female toilets shouldn’t exist at all".

    https://theministryhasfallen.substack.com/p/wccs-rainbow-action-plan

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