Media reports are coming through that Greens co-leader James Shaw has been hospitalised following an unprovoked attack near Parliament. A 47 year old man has been arrested.
From the Herald:
The Greens have requested has requested (sic) compassionate leave from the House today from the Speaker.
A spokesman for the Green Party said Shaw was punched in the face and suffered a black eye in the attack.
Shaw, who was walking to work from his Kelburn home, was attacked by the man who stepped out.
Luckily, two passersby stepped in after the attack. He continued on to work and attended a meeting before going (sic)
The spokesman said he then went to hospital for an assessment given he had received a blow to the head.
UPDATE: There is some confusion over the nature of the attack. The attacker apparently knew who James Shaw was, calling him by name, which suggests a political link. However, a spokesperson for Shaw said the attacker’s words during the assault didn’t appear to relate to Shaw’s political work.
Green MP Marama Davidson says Shaw is “shaken” and that “There is nothing at this stage that indicates that this attack had anything to do with his political work.”
Least it was hands and not a dildo.
I’d prefer the dildo to a smack in the face with a black eye
Actually being punched and kicked is the best position to be in because you can just turn and run. Who wants to be dragged into some randoms attack anyway because some guy is bored or something.
Jawcy tell you that sambam?
I’d prefer the dildo because one could have fun with the dildo later 🙂 Ok that was a bit cheeky, but I couldn’t help it, dildos aren’t cheap lololololz.
Thinking of you James, and after all that happened he put the kids first rather than himself, by attending their climate change meeting then going to hospital
Much respect to you James, sending healing energy your way.
That was quick off the tongue. Hope he wears a suit and tie.
Picking a big dick up and throwing it is no mean feat. How much does Simon weigh?
Not as much as Gerry Brownly that’s for sure.
The name, “Gerry Brownlee” has come up more than once…where was Gerry on the morning in question???
I’m going to be real mean and take a wild guess and say he was in the parliamentary cafe making good on his breakfast voucher.
If Weka was still on this site she/he would be ticking you off for fat shaming.
Well one thing I can say for sure is Gerry would only go into the parliamentary gym for photo ops which is equally likely to render results.
ROFL you fellas crack me up 🙂
Repeat of comment left on OM;
James Shaw attended a meeting with school children who are organising the Climate Change march tomorrow. Both he and Jacinda Ardern spoke at the meeting and were supportive of their action. It was reported on by all media outlets.
Can’t say anything for certain of course, but it would not surprise me if the attack was related in some way.
Could just be a random nut …
A random decision to make the attack yes. But according to a spokesman for James Shaw the man knew who he was.
Probably some muppet who listens to mark richardson and thinks he is a straight up dude . After bile he poured on the greens this am.
Dressed in blue or yellow ? Probably yellow.
stop picking on yellow. I’ve reclaimed that from the douglas incompetents. Yellow is illuminating and intellectual. Act is neither.
Yeah.. randomly managed to pick out the Green leader during rush hour.. what a coincidence….
Random attacks do happen. Can’t see any reason to suspect it was politically motivated at this stage
The Greens are saying he knew who Shaw was and said things to Shaw before hitting him. I say ‘said’, but I suspect he may not have been using his indoor voice.
Edit: MP Marama Davidson is saying the things the man said were apparently not related to Shaw’s political work.
Possibly then some random nutbar. It’s happened to me before to be honest. Though I was hit in the chest by some angry drunk in Cuba Street for no real reason
The RWNJ called out Shaw’s name before attacking him.
Apparently he was yelling about the UN.
Who was winding people up about the UN on twitter etc….national.
https://twitter.com/simonjbridges/status/1071246770062020613
+1. The National Party needs to take a long hard look at itself the way they are whipping up anti-government hysteria and promoting division.
John Key led them down this path and look where we are now.
And what, the Greens or Labour never do anything.
They are the very organisations that promote civil disobedience and protest movements.
Maybe the Govenment shouldn’t be signing the nation up to more far left UN manefesto without first checking what uncontrolled immigration has done to Europe lately.
I think if we add up random physical attacks on NZ MPs we’ll find them not so frequent as to support a presumption of randomness in this instance. Some munter, no doubt, persuaded by the incessant and dubious rhetoric of hate bloggers or the Herald. No doubt the police will find him – if they remember to look.
“Police said a 47-year-old man has been arrested in relation to an assault on Glenmore Street this morning.” https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/384689/green-party-co-leader-james-shaw-attacked-while-walking-to-work
Surprising that they got the guy so fast eh? Excellent policing. I hope we get an explanation of his motive soon…
Apparently the public helped catch the guy, according to tv.
The biggest tragedy of the nutters that do this sort of thing is they always take the wrong people out.
On a more compassionate note…this isn’t some sort of “attack on Democracy”..its a story of Stress and Mental Distress. A not uncommon condition in a Society gone wrong.
the “wrong” people? So please tell us who you think the “right” people would be to receive this sort of treatment.
People who can respond within 5 minutes to something they can be outraged about.
You think Steve deserves a punch in the head? Really?
Possibly Steve would learn so much from the event that he wouldn’t ask similar questions solkta, and nor would you.
So you think i deserve a punch in the head too? Wow, what an arse.
You wanted to know, so I told you. Just an excuse for outrage as i said before. Feel superior now?
Wrong approach @ grey!
You should have offered a glass of Chardonnay, or perhaps a craft beer.
(I’ll now return to my shell and just watch and refrain from comment for a few more days)
Oh, but also speculate speculate speculate cudda shudda wudda
Have you read his Twitter?
No don’t do the twit thing.
Possibly she meant what came to mind. ” Yes, they hardly ever punch another rotter”.
Nazis.
“its a story of Stress and Mental Distress.”
How do we know this?
Because hitting people over the head first thing in the morning is not ‘normal’. Its just not the sort of thing people who are having happy lives do.
In a sane world a lot of the reactions to there being a coalition Government not involving National would be ‘normal.”
The process of forming the Government wasn’t normal. The response and the ongoing fury and upset about that means getting used to a new normal of opposition. Having your divine right to rule taken from you does strange things to some people.
The old, we should be afraid of no friends National if their right to rule is taken from them (based on the obedient wife who knows her place, is then safe when at home conservative tradition).
So now it’s not only the “right” people who should be hit over the head, but at certain acceptable times of the day/night.
So now you’re confusing “normal” with “acceptable”.
Siobhan’s right, most public thumpies happen when people are drunk at night. That’s why we had overlapping security shifts wed-saturday nights, back in the day.
It was only the real weirdos who were violent in the morning light.
Not sure the story is actually out yet.
My guess is some anti 1080 nut bar.
My guess is that he was wearing ripped jeans and tried to make a getaway in a Ferrari. Guessing is fun but none of us has a clue.
Fear of blood-spots on the jacket would rule out that contender.
The inability to knock the skin off his porridge would also rule him out.
So, Mike Hoskings.
Passing himself off as a 47 year old.
You might be right.
Probably and I bet if one knew how they could link the recent upsurge in anti 1080 and department of conservation to people of a right wing persuasion.
Its seems to much of coincidence that it’s gotten alot uglier since the change of government.
Nope. Just a regular Kiwiblogger not on his meds.
Are you confessing and blaming the medication ?
A poll would show I am not one of them.
Nope. Just a regular Kiwiblogger not on his meds.
Way to stigmatise mental illness, dick.
Terrible thing to happen – glad they have caught the guy and hope he gets everything the court can hit him with.
“…everything the court can hit him with.”
That is a very nasty, violent metaphor, James, and I find it offensive. There are many victims of violence in our society who will feel the same.
I hope that in future you will moderate the violence of your metaphors and set a more appropriate tone of language.
Justice, blindfolded and bearing scales with which to measure.The courts won’t “hit” with everything the can, they’ll employ Justice’s powers of decision and judgement, I hope.
That said, I appreciate James’ support for the victim, coincidentally named “James” in this case. Very kind of you, James.
I think you may have missed the irony there Bob..
Dammit! Losing my touch…such as it was…irony, eh! It’s so…subtle these days…
Of all the things to find offensive at. Lol.
I was being genuine in my thoughts and meant absolutely nothing nasty in my comments.
Stop being such a snowflake and looking for offence everywhere.
Congrats, James. You too missed the irony. I was aping you.
For all the times you have pretended offence at anything you could find…
Robert Guyton has often critiqued you and your ‘sensitivity’ whereby you deliberately repeat what you are pretending to be offended by…
You are such a boring, incompetent troll.
There’s always a first time, I guess.
Piss weak effort from a racist.
You seem a bit fighty. Are you going through your Michael Jackson catalogue right now?
Keep it up James – you will give me something else to ape.
Glad Shaw’s ok.
Good on the bystanders for stepping in, too.
The leader of one of our main parties probably shouldn’t be walking to work by himself. I know we have this lax attitude to security in New Zealand and that everything is safe as houses, but seriously you can’t pretend you’re just a regular citizen in that position.
Also the media should take some credit for this attack as they constantly harangue the Greens and promote baby boomer like outraged opinions towards them.
The youngest baby boomer is 55.
This guy was 47.
I think you missed the ‘like’…
‘but seriously you can’t pretend you’re just a regular citizen in that position.
How many Politicians have been attacked in the street while minding their own business in the last 50 years?
How many ordinary citizens have been attacked in the street while minding their own business in the last 50 years?
How many Doctors, Nurses, Ambo drivers, teachers, Firemen, Roadcrew..have been attacked in the last 50 years while going about their business?
Lets not overreact.
Our Politicians are pretty darned safe.
Like it or not he’s a very high profile figure, and is a figurehead of a much maligned group. I think very few in a similar situation would put themselves in the same position as Shaw was this morning.
wtf too much rt mate – shit can go down here but over reaction causes even more issues.
Know of any other celebrities who walk themselves to work without a second thought? How would walking with a minder fundamentally change things?
Lol your reveals are awesome – he’s not a celebrity he’s a politician. You can’t mitigate much the risks that people bring especially if a person is angry and determined without creating massive problems – and bodyguards can be issues as Indira Gandhi found out.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Indira_Gandhi
He probably receives more media coverage than most NZ celebrities, and is sharing ideas and beliefs that not everyone agrees with. The comparison to celebs is relevant.
So what’s the point of security at all if you think an inside job is more of a threat. Geez.
We are talking about walking to work. The example was to show security is not flawless no matter who you are or how many bodies around you there to protect you.
I’d prefer we keep it on the down low and let politicians NOT be celebrities but just people who do a job.
John Key did actually, at least in his early years as PM. I don’t know whether he had to change his habits.
Probably a bit early in the morning for anyone who wanted to have a go at him. In Wellington he started very early in the day.
How is it that it is always left wing MPs who get attacked?
Nobody ever had a go at Don Brash, Tau Henare, John Key, Pita Sharples, Nick Smith or Stephen Joyce did they?
Alwyn am sure your comment was sacacism
don brash
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/treaty-of-waitangi/news/article.cfm?c_id=350&objectid=3547561
tau henare
https://www.pressreader.com/new-zealand/manawatu-standard/20071231/281844344305133
john key
https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/key-heckled-lone-protester-waitangi-nn-85276
nick smith …..
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/100732144/offensive-behaviour-charges-laid-over-nick-smith-rat-poison-protest
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10009877
joyce
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/76683642/null
But Cinny.
Sarcasm? How could you think that of me?
How could your links possibly be correct? Other people seem to think that all these attacks are by people they label “rwnj’s”, whatever that might mean. Surely they don’t think National MPs would be attacked?
Ikr 🙂 Having a good laugh here, and I hope you are doing the same 🙂
Don’t make me find more links Alwyn 🙂
Key walked by himself?… I highly doubt it, wasn’t he the pm.
At least at the beginning he certainly did. It was only a few hundred meters from Premier House to Parliament of course (it is just down Hill street) and it was before 6.00 am.
He apparently arrived by 6.00 am and got his exercise and had a swim before starting work.
I twice saw what I was pretty sure was him. He was walking by himself. I was doing some work at the time which required being around while the NYSE was open. That closes at 4.00 pm their time which is, if I remember correctly, currently 9.00 am here. It was mid-summer so the sun was up.
Bloody awful hour to actually be at work.
Holyoake used to walk to work every day. Of course that was a long time ago and he lived quite close to Parliament. He was the one who famously had his home phone number in the phone book and would answer it himself.
Those really were the days.
Key while he was in Auckland always had the shaded ones surrounding him. I believe they lived on site at his home, his wife had a special name for them. He even had them accompany his wife and himself when they strolled down the road for their coffees in Parnell. So very American but then he was a secondary citizen of the US of A and always enjoyed feeling important.
Protection at their homes has been supplied for Prime Ministers at their homes for quite a long time. Normally, as with Helen Clark, they rented a nearby property. I doubt if there were many cheap enough near where Key lived.
It was very early in his time as PM that I saw him in Hill St. He only used it as a bed for a few days a week. I don’t believe his wife or children ever lived there. The last person to use Premier House as a family home was Bolger. It wouldn’t have been easy for him to get home to a farm in the King Country of course. It wasn’t like an Auckland PM going Parliament by limo to Airport, direct to Auckland then limo to home in about 2 hours would it?
Nah, then you end up with entourages and security details parking on bus stops and suchlike.
At the moment I think that the biggest historical predisposition for assaulting MPs is to be MP oneself.
Personally I think it’s great that our politicians including party leaders can walk to work without a security detail, or generally get about just like the people they represent. Sure, vigilance is required if you have a public profile…
From my perspective, this sort of behaviour is representative of kiwi culture in that there is a view from some sectors of society that violence is an acceptable form of protest or as a means to right a perceived wrong.
I’m glad Mr Shaw is okay, no one deserves to be on the receiving end of an unprovoked attack such as this. As for the attacker, if mental health is or was the catalyst I hope they get the help they need. If they’re of sound mind, then let the courts do their work. Hopefully education (ie one punch can kill), and restorative justice is a component of the sentence.
Oh please….he put himself up for public office and would be very aware his political views are shared by the minority 6% of the population….left wing extremists, enviro-terrorist, and assorted lone wolf fringe dwellers, and a majority who post on this forum.
He has availability to security at great taxpayer expense if he so desires, so how is this really an issue. I can’t imagine such a fuss if it was Simon Bridges who was assaulted.
How old’s that ‘pretty communist’ bloke?
about four
I was expecting it to be Eugenie Sage, given the amount of social media vitriol she is subjected to from opponents of 1080, DoC conspiracy theorists etc. She definitely needs accompanying security
Even people with stress and mental distress need to be able to manage their anger, unless they are psychotic……
Nasty experience. I guess they will look into security.
Do not ascribe motives till we have more information.
That update is interesting. So, so good if this was not politically motivated.
Sentence the guy to the fullest extent of the law…who’m I kidding the attacker will probably get community service or something
Planting trees will do both him and us more good than sending him down.
Why not both
Someone dumb enough to swallow the Gnat’s recycled Republican line about the UN agreement which they supported in power might pick up bad habits in jail. Trees are good for people, they mellow them out – Robert ‘s an example.
Green MP Marama Davidson says Shaw is “shaken” and that “There is nothing at this stage that indicates that this attack had anything to do with his political work.”
The key words from Marama Davidson is “at this stage”.
In the matter of minutes from the start to the end of the attack, it is unlikely the attacker had time to say much. While there may not have been a direct reference to Shaw’s political work, I’m inclined to think there will be an indirect link to his position as Green co-leader.
The benchmark for attacks on parliamentarians was set during the last parliament.
Dildo’s and mud being thrown, manure poured over peoples head to name a few and the reaction from the authorities was muted at best and from large parts of the public the response was encouraging for this type of behaviour. The reactions from some other members of parliament was even worse, with some finding the behaviour amusing.
If you tolerate this behaviour and don’t come down hard on it at the beginning we will see more and worse in future.
A-ha no, no we won’t. We will not be seeing more of this type of behaviour in the future because kiwis are so well fed they can’t even muster enough anger to even look angry. So angry people have to rely on manufactured delusions so they can just fein looking angry.
Yes the National opposition are most likely doing the mahi for the future introduction of public stocks and business incentives/tax breaks for the supply of rotten eggs and tomatoes.
The mud thrown at Brash was a decade before the manure at Banks – two parliaments ago in early 2014.
Each a harbinger of more and worse …
Sounds a bit like the escalating crisis of illegal immigration into the USA.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12212635
‘Beaten, bloodied and bruised: The MPs attacked over the years’
I had forgotten about many of these incidents.
Snap, just posted that but you did first. There is a bit of precedence isn’t there.
What surprised me was how quickly the article was compiled. No byline but good work.
It seems like this “illegal immigration” thing has been around a long time, maybe the social media venting is improving the safety of MP’s (given there are more people about and no discernable increase in this violence) – which given our poor servicing of drug addictions, homelessness and poor mental health services is surprising.
Damien O’Connor commented:
“I have to give full marks to James, he turned up at cab committee with a black eye and bloody nose so it’s true commitment to the job and I hope he comes right quick.”
My heart goes out to James Shaw. Any physical assault is shocking.
Public apology via the media please, introducing himself by full name first, to the people of New Zealand & his family/relatives, for this extreme breach to the long standing NZ culture of civil life & order, that he now has some understanding himself if he had to give out his own address and work details, & that he apologises unreservedly for this cultural breach to the core values system of the NZ way.
One News just featured David Parker telling the media the attacker had shouted something about the United Nations. So I suspect he was a climate-change denier.
Trump has made a thing about the UN using climate-change to advance a global control agenda, eh? Seems to be an alt-right paranoia going back years now. Could be a whale-oil nut too. Use of nick-names on social media sites helps scumbags hide their identity…
Or maybe he had an issue with the UN Migration Pact that national are against. Least that’s what sprung to my mind.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1812/S00017/national-would-pull-nz-out-of-un-migration-pact.htm
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/12/new-zealand-first-slams-emotional-debate-over-un-migration-compact.html
But why take it out on James? Unless he’s been out front defending the pact in the media, there’s no reason anyone would hold him personally responsible for it. I haven’t noticed him doing so. Has any coalition MP been actively defending the pact? Doubt it – too many higher priorities…
Most tories are very anti Greens.
Either way it’s an angry person who obviously can’t control their behavior.
I reckon you’re on the money DF @ 20.
As soon as It was revealed the assailant was talking about the UN my mind went straight to Trump. I knew there was a link between the two but couldn’t recall what it was. Iirc,Trump also implicated China in the conspiracy.
So Trumpism in all its weird and dangerous glory is alive and well in NZ. This incident could be a tipping point for further attacks on innocent people. Quite scary.
Trying to take out James Shaw, is a really serious Thing.
I am glad James Shaw has survived.
The Major thing we must do is protect Jacinda Ardern. The muck thrown at her in Parliament and permitted by the Speaker is obviously having an effect on some of the witless trolls of National.
Hosking hacking into Her; Mark Twisted Richardson vehemently unbelievable; James Nobody; BM and a long list of other soppy followers of Sir John key. Dozens of National drongos and wasters.
National is giving itself Rabies from the dog Trolls. Simon Bridges who has explained he is not a member of National – even though he also says he is the Leader of the National Party in Parliament – SCREAMS at Jacinda. As does the little ponce Hosking. Not to mention the incomprehensible Hooten.
We Must Protect her and ban Trolls and National deranged members.
“Trying to take out James Shaw, is a really serious Thing.
I am glad James Shaw has survived.”
While it is a disgusting thing that happened – let’s not get hysterical – it wasn’t a bloody gun from the grassy knoll.
Let’s not forget that a single punch can kill.. This attack was perpetrated by a coward.
How many coward punches have resulted in death, in recent years? Perhaps a little OTT, but not hysterical.
Someone capable of this is certainly capable of discharging a firearm under the same motivations.
[ ” let’s not get hysterical – it wasn’t a bloody gun from the grassy knoll ” ]
Aside from current events that IS a fascinating though morbid thing to research…
” The head went back ,… and to the left,… the head went back, … and to the left…”
You do realise that movie was largely bullshit, right?
Yes I do , and, the D. A only nailed the peripheral guy – Clay Shaw.
But the REAL story was the one supplied by JFK’s personal lawyer . In it he names the guys , has the photos of them ( Howard E Hunt was included , yes.).
Turns out many were right wing Puerto Rican’s trained on the American mainland. Pissed off ones about JFK’s failure to back the Bay of Pigs assault. The evidence is virtually watertight ,.. but for that you would have to read it.
Up to you if you want to believe in a pristine bullet found on JFK’s stretcher after his assassination, – or Lee Oswald’s poor marine records as a rifleman using an old Carcano rifle with faulty sights shooting through the leaves of an oak tree at a moving target and hitting him three times ( head, neck , torso ) in critical places.
Or that George Bush Sr didn’t bullshit the authority’s when arrested running down the stairs adjacent to Oswald’s Repository bookstores snipers nest then giving them a bullshit false record of being a travelling oil baron as an alibi… who later became the 11th CIA director – the same CIA who organized the Bay of Pigs landing…
Feel free.
Nailed? Wasn’t Shaw acquitted on all charges?
Clay Shaws reputation suffered , and it did have a chilling effect on his activity’s , – gun running.
Edit; It was E Howard Hunt, it was before I had a computer and knew how to use one , a long time back so hazy on all the names – you’ve got me looking up these scumbags again… another character in the book was Frank Sturgis- he was allegedly a major player in this incident.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Frank_Sturgis_%28various%29.jpg/220px-Frank_Sturgis_%28various%29.jpg
You can look him up and have a look at his seamy adventures.
Frank Sturgis – Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Sturgis
Actually,… listen to this older gentleman, see the fear in his eyes as he basically says the Warren Commission is fabricating things… a lot of witnesses died under mysterious circumstances in the ensuing years and others were silenced. This man could have faced harassment and loss of income as a result of his fearlessness, – or worse.
This is why an attack on any of our representatives is a serious matter. We do not want this sort of thing here.
The Witnesses: S.M. Holland – YouTube
Oops- I meant Cubans sorry. Not Puerto Rican’s- consider that another ‘Doh’ moment.
I’m calling Poes Law on Observer Tokoroa here
Heh
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/poes-law
[ ” Simon Bridges who has explained he is not a member of National – even though he also says he is the Leader of the National Party in Parliament ” ]
L0L0L !!!
A ‘ Keyism’.
Let he who has never posted “YES it’s ALWAYS OK to punch a nazi!” memes, cast the first stone…
The MAGA sickness reaches New Zealand.
Of course this attack was political.
The same dark forces that make opportunist political capital out of demonising and inciting anger against immigrants in the US, seem to be what is also behind this nasty physical attack on James Shaw.
NZ First and the National Party, and even on occasion, the Labour Party, have all mined this vein of xenophobia for political gain, to greater or lesser extent.
If indeed the motive for this attack was xenophobic. To put an end to it and stop it growing into something even worse, Every leader of every political party in parliament must issue a statement condemning this attack and the xenophobia behind it in the strongest terms.
If even just one of our parliamentary party leaders refuses to condemn this attack and the xenophobia behind it, And instead chooses to say nothing. Their silence will be seen as condoning these sorts of extremist views. Further inciting others like this man to lash out, and not just against parliamentarians, but also against the immigrant communities that are the targets for this sort of violent hate.
You are drawing at straws.
First, it may have absolutely nothing to do with xenophobia. Second ,every country has a right to protect its borders and write its own legislation. And regards immigration this country has been far too lax for far too long. What may suit you and your political views may not suit the rest of us.
What is at issue here is a citizen and representative in our parliament has been assaulted. Quite seriously , it seems , even if it was a glancing bow- which it appears it wasn’t. And what is serious, if this was a person who normally acts rationally ,is that he chose to cross the line and use physical assault. And that’s where the line is drawn.
It goes beyond freedom of speech and expression into criminal behavior.
THAT is the issue.
Plus >1
“If even just one of our parliamentary party leaders refuses to condemn this attack and the xenophobia behind it, And instead chooses to say nothing. Their silence will be seen as condoning these sorts of extremist views. ”
“BBQ James” Law.
On Larry Williams’ show, Jordan Williams of the Tax Dodger’s Union tried to pin it on the left. Du Plessis-Allan tore strips off him until Larry had to step in and protect Jordan.
It was quite a laugh to hear the host shut down the conversation because his guy was losing.
Actually (although I’m not a fan) du Plessis-Allan owned Jordan Willaims more than once on that segment today. But that’s not saying much, Jordan Williams is one of the dumbest spanners commenting in the media right now.
Disgusting, that this right winger tried to give political cover for this violent assault.
It’s a wonder Williams didn’t reach into the neo-fascist grab bag of conspiracy theories, And allege that this vicious assault was a false flag attack,
Did Jawdy not try crying? Disappointing.
More extreme but still on the same Right Wing continuum as Jordan Williams.
It’s ridiculous isn’t it? That the purveyors of white supremacy would seek to distance themselves from an actor playing out their fantasies.
A few commenters on RW forums have tried to sell this murderer as a marxist and a Greenie.
It is pathetic the way hate speech apologists minimise the effect their own speech has on disgruntled loners.
Not a good thing anyone gets assaulted. The line can be drawn at mud or egg on the face or even a dildo , even then that can hurt if it connects at the wrong angle…
Really nothing funny about what happened to Shaw at all.
Though mind you, – Trevor Mallard and Tau Henare came to blows in the corridors of parliament. I remember being pretty disgusted at that. If our representatives act like cavemen then draw up legislation to define what is and isn’t criminal assault then act like that… what example is that?
* Just edited and found both belligerents. And one the current Speaker of the House!!!
Mallard and Henare in punch-up – NZ Herald
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10471953
I certainly don’t want to see any of that overseas shit happening here in NZ where our representatives are put in danger.
Lets hope James got a few shots back on the guy.
Hopefully he was injured that why the police got him so soon.
Non-violent conflict resolution is a GP charter principle. If he had retaliated the Greens would have to expel him. Apparently the attacker was held by eyewitnesses until the cops got there…
Shaw was the bigger man if that’s the case if he did not retaliate.
The only time things can be justified is in self defense if someone genuinely fears for their life or that of others. Shaw seems to have judged the situation wisely.
Well I’m f**ked if I ever join NZ Greens, if they ask about my time doing Peacekeeping as I had to use my fists, kicks, batons, flash bangs, CS and something else.
Well chap, you had to perform your duty as a serviceman under orders.
But during peacetime, acts of violence cannot be condoned. I did many martial arts and about 3 years of Japanese Jujutsu… but there’s no way in hell I’d want to use that on anybody.
I’d rather have a cup of tea and a laugh with someone instead.
So you’re carrying an injury or some sort of PTSD why you sit it out?
I’m vaguely under the impression that the sitting thing for the American Civil Rights movement worked pretty well for them while they attempted to tame white supremacists thirst for blood. Just laughing about stuff doesn’t help much, you need to actually DO something. Understanding how to use non-violence and why but most importantly when to use such tactics in most other situations is something The Green Movement is yet to master, and why they’re not fit to govern a country outright until they do master it.
Hey Sam, don’t knock WP just because she or he don’t or won’t do violence in self defence as it’s not everyone’s cup of tea, as it’s takes a very special type of person to step up to defend someone as it’s not for the faint hearted.
Understood.
I’ve got PTSD, but I still have a crack/ step forward, but wife usually beats me to it sometimes but then again her old man was an ex NSW cop and a well known ex criminal defence lawyer in Sydney.
But if a foreign country came in uninvited I’ll break open my spacecase full my old combat gear and grab one of my rifles and my G19.
Could think of a few others I’d like to line up right next to you. Some ex pollies, perhaps their children and any other bean counter with really cool looking PowerPoint displays promoting the virtues of efficiencies, cost savings, amalgamations and private catering firms.
I think we are on the same page Sam. 😆
It’s 8pm where I’m atm and I have big day tomorrow and with 8- 10 middies and a pizza under my belt it time to head home. I’m out bush so the local copper is about 2-3 hrs away in the opposite direction to me on a one way rd.
So years ago, I’m 18, just left Auckland where it was freezing pissing down with rain. Get off the plane in Perth and it’s 32° and I ask the taxi guy if there’s normal people living here and he says yeah, I’m a normal person, look at me I’m driving a taxi, we aren’t all mining magnets. Then I asked if there was a port and if they fish here and he said yeah, this is the Indian Ocean. So I get to my hostel and ring my mum and tell her we’d had the wrong plan this whole time.
You issuing a call for violent action from the safety of your keyboard there sambam? That’s pretty darn tough. A provocative gent.
Quote me
Any of you or just the sambam you? Just here or kiwibugger you?
Failing to provid proof of violent or provocative actions is ass crust lmfao.
‘….we aren’t all mining magnets. ‘
Oh the …iony!
They were done under UN sanctioned/ supported ROE’s, which might trouble some members of the NZ Greens and the left side of the NZ Labour Party while Protecting women, elderly and children violence and in cases we were a little bit late to the scene.
It’s a shame this has happened, as I always take pride that NZ MP’s can walk or take public transport or whatever floats their boat without much security. Unlike other nations in world and when I show pictures of various MP’s from either side of the house in very public places, my foreign visitors/ Ockers are left god smacked at NZ and make for interesting BS stories when I’m on the piss.
They’ll be devastated I’m sure.
Surely they’d show understanding and not victimblame franky.
As leftists, you could be right. However acting in breach of the Green Charter would be deemed too serious an offence to ignore. Leftists are prone to moral fudging, so a collective decision to have 50c each way would tempt them. Suspension, rather than expulsion.
The Catholic model of moral fudging provides historical precedent. Do as much torture and murder as you like, confess it, receive absolution, go to heaven. So the leftist Greens would suggest James confess to yielding to his base animal instinct to strike back, explain that the instinct kicked in before his brain remembered that he was non-violent, and he’d be off the moral hook…
Sounds like you’re just making shit up there franky.
Ha! You think so, huh? Try reading history. Leftists got their weasel stance from the christians. Okay, it’s a generalisation & one can always find exceptions to prove the rule. As Gregory Bateson famously observed, it’s the pattern which connects…
I think that you deserve an award for being the one to write the biggest load of shit on here. That is quite an achievement given the competition.
You do relies that Dennis Frank mentioning the “Greens Charter” and the “Chatholic Model” so when you say “you” (Dennis Frank) ” deserves an award for writing the biggest load of shit” that what you are really saying is the Greens Movement and Catholics are a load of shit.
That is what is know as an ass crust argument.
Now you quote me! Niggas.
Solkta gets confused easily. Refusal to address the point is always a dead give-away. However practicising what one preaches is a sign of authenticity, and James revealed his by not retaliating – that’s the real point.
Whether non-violence works when scaled up to the geopolitical level is a more interesting angle. Chamberlain’s Munich deal suggests not, since it destroyed his political career. One could also argue that the Dalai Lama proved it an impotent stance via the communist takeover of his country, inasmuch as it produced marginalisation via non-alignment…
This is more of a cultural gripe than a geopolitical one, but I absolutely hate it when a post-apocalyptic setting has everyone forget about the pre-apocalyptic world.
The Hunger Games for example, with brief references to “no one caring about ancient history” or something. You wana know the first thing people cared about, historically? when civilization-collapsing disasters occurred? Ancient history, tradition, continuity and legitimacy from previous, more prosperous times. We can look at Europe after the fall of West Rome, where everyone and their grandpa claimed to be the “one true Rome” and got into fights over it. (Of course, Modern—Western— is now claiming legitimacy over most foolish culture).
The basic rationale for why free trade is the purest form of non-violence in the geopolitical world because if your enemy is trading with you, they’re less likely to attack directly – Comparative Advantage. Through free trade everyone can specialize in what they’re best at and everyone will be better off by having more (caveat incoming) 100% recyclable, biodegradable, carbon neutral / zero stuff, so we can have more stuff. That’s not to say violence is completely eliminated because any decent system requires regulation and control so a decent navy, airforce, intelligence service and army just not a war economy one because New Zealand doesn’t have an interventionist foreign policy and neither are we likey to plan or solo a D-Day landing, better to just set up a green zone and say try me and your dead. But ultimately at the state level, in a non-violent manner, as an adversary sends the order to attack down the pipe to the troops, then a counter order would be issued ordering the destruction of the train (transport logistics) before troops had a chance to deploy and begin combat operations basically making them look like a bunch of wankers and overt disaster.
The negatives of free trade is no different from the negatives of technological progress. Any time there is a change, somebody somewhere is losing their job and has to train for a new one. Funny how nobody is proposing we get rid of all computers and cars so scribes and horse carriage drivers can save their jobs.
So arguing against free trade is basically the same as denying climate change exists.
Yes, I share your view in regard to how it historically became a harm-minimisation scheme, in which the benefits of trade out-weighed the benefits of war. It’s an incentive-structure view that leftist political thought discounted until recent decades.
JF advocated fair trade instead, and I saw no reason to disagree, and the Greens still prefer that framing. It acknowledges the coercive effect that big business tends to have on the free market, and the original royal chartering that launched corporations as a privilege-based economic system.
Re the Hunger Games, it was a fun kids story but to any life-long reader of sf rather gauche. I guess the basic stance is that post-apocalyptic scenarios have cultural discontinuity as a given. I agree with you that there’s an erring in favour of simplemindedness with this stance, which probably does involve a flawed assumption. Humans cling to tradition like limpets to a rock.
I’m more of a, free movement of travel, free movement of capital kind of guy. But I will concede that fair trade can be made to work as well because at the moment we’ve got grabbing every one up the sphing sphing trade.
That’s more like it sambam. True colours.
The reports were that members of the public intervened on Shaw’s behalf and were instrumental in the quick apprehension of his assailant.
It is heartening to me that the public stepped in and showed no tolerance for this sort of attack. In his mind this deluded individual probably imagined that he would be supported and even praised for assaulting Shaw, or at the least be left to get away with it.
Hopefully this is a message to all such extremists, that your violent views and acts will not be tolerated.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/article227680619.html
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/article227680619.html
Even if this man is a psychiatric patient in need of care, The courts need to deliver a stern warning to others who might feel inclined to assail and weaken our democracy in this manner.
Do stern warnings work on psychiatric patients in need of care jenjen?
“….to others”.
Disappointing to see this sort of behaviour. I guess there are people out there who lack the coping skills to deal with the realities of this deeply divisive and duplicitous government and their dishonest policies.
You just don’t like being called to account for your pollution.
” deeply divisive and duplicitous government ”
Ah no, that appears to be you.
That was a deeply divise and duplicitous thing to say on this thread Guyrope.
Stirring up fascist hate
https://www.politico.eu/article/united-nations-migration-pact-how-got-trolled/
This international fascist hate campaign even reached into the New Zealand National Party.
https://www.national.org.nz/say_no_to_un_migration_pact
Tomorrow we’ll find out it’s some cuckolded husband angry that Shaw has been tapping his wife. Stranger things have happened.
More disgusting Right Wing justification for extremist violence.
There’s an excellent article on Newsroom this morning
Behind the spread of anti-UN sentiment
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/03/15/489008/behind-the-spread-of-anti-un-sentiment
The photo says it all: United Nations – One Way. Top-down decision-making from the control hierarchy. You can see how paranoia is induced.
But the newsroom article fails to illuminate the guts of the issue. Reporting that controversy is happening is valid journalism, but superficial when the reporter evades the question of why it is happening. We do not need more shallow journalism. We already have too much of that!
If I were James I’d ask to speak to the assailant to discover his motive. The principle of restorative justice applies. Resolution requires grievances to be articulated before they can be defused. Our justice system still mostly prevents that.
The question of why it is happening…. agree that needs to be addressed.
James Shaw is looking a bit bruised as we would expect, but has a broken eye socket which sounds bad. I hope his eye is okay.
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/384768/security-of-mps-discussed-after-attack-on-green-party-co-leader-james-shaw
A 47 year old man is accused. I think that is interesting. Males tend to be inclined to be uncontrolled and violent in their younger years and generally by 47 would be
more settled and mature. I wonder what this guy’s background is?