Daily review 26/08/2024

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  1. 1

    Not a great headline for Shooter McKee.

    Anyone get the feeling hunters get the benefit of the doubt in these 'accidents', when clearly there is wrecklessness to the point of manslaughter, or even outright murder?

    People with guns are inherently dangerous, and I'm not sure why the hunt is ring fenced outside the law everyone else is subject to.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/tolaga-bay-hunter-dies-after-being-shot-by-another-hunting-party/GHBA6D52IRGBTOO7BF5RLAL2JE/

    Along with recreational hunting, I also think gambling, horse racing, and UFC should be banned. If we, on the recommendation of the current government, are ordered to cut out the rot, let's start with this shit which promotes alpha violence and bad behaviour.

    1. 1.1

      A disaster in the making:

      The Gisborne Herald has been told there were two separate hunting parties in the area of Doonholm Hill, 18km up the Tauwhareparae Rd from Tolaga Bay.

      One group were in a vehicle spotlighting for possums, and the other party involved the victim of the incident, who was hunting for deer.

      In the dark ("spotlighting") – Two groups after different animals. One wonders if either party knew of the other in the area. It is reported that one of the Possum party shot the Deer Hunter – which seems strange as hunters sometimes mistake other hunters in the area for Deer but the other way around seems unusual.

      A tragedy that further information may reveal the cause of.

      The “hunt” is not ring fenced – the Police are investigating.

      2. 1.1.2

        Update: https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350393637/child-allegedly-fatally-shot-man-hunting-trip

        he was shot by a member of another hunting party – a boy aged under 13 who was spotlighting with his father.

        De Lange confirmed a 39-year-old Gisborne man appeared in Gisborne District Court on Monday charged with unlawful possession of a firearm, and was scheduled to reappear on September 9.

        Stuff understands police allege the man, believed to be the boy’s father, did not have a firearms licence.

        Complete disregard for the Law/regulation/safety procedures already in place.

        Just how would MORE regulation have any effect at all?

    2. 1.2

      A quick scan of the firearms safety code indicates to me that it doesn't spell some things out.

      It says it is illegal to drive on a public road with a loaded firearm.

      It also says it has dangerous to have a loaded firearm in a vehicle.

      So it implies discharging a firearm from a vehicle on a public road is illegal, but doesn't say so (maybe the firearms act does). And that you can have a loaded firearm in a vehicle on a private road, (although advising it is dangerous) and says nothing about discharging it.

      So it appears spotlighting from a vehicle is not illegal on a private road, but dangerous. Why is it allowed? Maybe for pest control, but recreational hunting?

      What puzzles me is how someone was deer hunting at night, although it could have been dusk, as we don't when the sad event occured, only when the shooting was reported. I realize the deer hunter could have been using a night vision device.

      Several unanswered questions here including how a group spotlighting and the other hunter came to be in the same area at the same time, and status of the land and the road involved.

      And McKee wants looser firearms regulation.

      1. 2.1.1

        The evidence shows the higher the speed the bigger the mess. The point I think bring made is that Brown is raising speeds and making it harder for controlling authorities to reduce speed to save lives.

        One small example – deaths and serious injury on SH6 from Renwick to Nelson have reduced by about, if I recall correctly, 68% since the limit was dropped from 100 to 80km/h about two years ago.

        Brown wants to put limits on roads like this back up. I despise him.

        1. 2.1.1.1

          However, this is not (so far at least) being reported as excessive speed being a factor in the crash. The cause cited to date in reports is that a tire blew out on a truck. It's also a flat motorway in Auckland, not a winding road in Nelson.
          While your points may, indeed, be valid, this is not an example which illustrates them.

    2. 2.2

      Can't help but wonder about speed being a factor. The faster you go, the bigger the mess.

      Three dead in SH1 South Auckland truck crash near Bombay
      “It just shows how on roads like that, which are pretty dynamic – they’re fairly fast, how just in a second, things can just go bad so quickly,” he said.

      “[Wire barriers] are becoming more and more used on state highways as a safety intervention. Ramarama straights are long and they’re fast…. There’s a wide grass strip in between, but is the wire barrier the right thing there in terms of the size of our trucks and the speed at which they travel?”

      1. 2.2.1

        Well, no doubt you can't help wondering. Perhaps you can follow the case, and inform us when you actually have any evidence.

        1. 2.2.1.1

          Well, no doubt you can't help wondering.

          Thanks B, great observation – and advice. Still reckon there’s a grain of truth in The faster you go, the bigger the mess , but it could be ideological nonsense – time will tell.

          Trauma surgeon says lifting speed limits will drive up deaths, injuries, traffic [2 Aug 2024]
          Speed limit changes were part of National’s coalition agreement with Act and part of the Government’s 100-day plan.

          Speeding towards danger: the concerns and consequences of increasing speed limits on our roads [NZMJ, 2 Aug 2024; 3-page PDF]
          It seems that increasing maximum driving speeds has been prioritised over all other considerations, which does not reflect the balance needed for responsible decision-making about our transport system. And it flies in the face of best practice in road safety based on global evidence.

          Spooky crossover between this and an opinion in a comment @3 on Daily Review.

          Like most of us, I don’t ignore my doctor’s advice on how to stay alive. Can we please have a government that pays attention to the climate-change planet doctors?

          https://thestandard.org.nz/daily-review-27-08-2024/#comment-2009447

          1. 2.2.1.1.1

            Yeah, it could be ideological nonsense, or scientific nonsense:

            Kinetic energy is directly proportional to the mass of the object and to the square of its velocity: K.E. = 1/2 m v2

            We do note certain political persuasions are increasingly anti-science so denial that increased speed does not translate to its square in energy is a very real possibility.

            White men described this relationship between mass, energy and velocity hundreds of years ago so they must be right, right?

    2. 3.2

      It was consented under Mayor Goff using Labour-Green government housing policy.

      Wouldn't point the poo-finger too quick.

    3. 3.3

      Really? This is about new housing (consented under Labour, BTW) not having the infrastructure ducks in a row with Auckland Council.
      Nothing to do with government policy. Nor with "nice to have's"
      It's the failure of the developer and the council to effectively work together.
      Of course, they could have banned people from living there – and increased the homeless population. /sarc/

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